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Garret Fitzgerald legacy still an anoyance?


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Garret Fitzgerald doubled the national deficit when he got to power in the 80's. Why the hell should anybody listen to this old man in relation to NAMA. Time for Garret to go away and stop causing problems for Fine Gael and everybody else.:x
 

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Garret Fitzgerald doubled the national deficit when he got to power in the 80's. Why the hell should anybody listen to this old man in relation to NAMA. Time for Garret to go away and stop causing problems for Fine Gael and everybody else.:x
Good point.
 

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Am not aware of any legacy from this political lightweight other than his intense desire to negate National interests and to appease British and Unionist interests.

This is not surprising from a man whose fathers principal legacy as Minister of Defence was to alienate large segments of the officer cadre of the Irish army,and whose main interest was in trying to teach them the correct usage of knives and forks!
 

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Well, after Enda making a bags of the interview on NAMA last week, Bruton throwing his hands up in the air yesterday and saying he made a mistake,and Fianna Fail telling us what a great fella Garret is, Fine Gael have made a hames of Nama,
 

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Am not aware of any legacy from this political lightweight other than his intense desire to negate National interests and to appease British and Unionist interests.

This is not surprising from a man whose fathers principal legacy as Minister of Defence was to alienate large segments of the officer cadre of the Irish army,and whose main interest was in trying to teach them the correct usage of knives and forks!
Well considering the army deafness scam, maybe he was trying to avoid compensation charges for facial damage.
 

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Well, after Enda making a bags of the interview on NAMA last week, Bruton throwing his hands up in the air yesterday and saying he made a mistake,and Fianna Fail telling us what a great fella Garret is, Fine Gael have made a hames of Nama,
Yeah, Richard said senior instead of sub-ordinated.
Anyone who knew what he was talking about recognised it as a slip of the tongue, particularly as he was describing what the government had done with Anglo when told to do so by the EU.

No fear that Cowen and very limited company would ever admit to a mistake.
 
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It's somewhat amusing to watch the wannabe republican brigade with their usual predictability seize on ridiculous threads like these. I think it makes them feel good about themselves to have a good oul FG bash now and again.
 

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It's somewhat amusing to watch the wannabe republican brigade with their usual predictability seize on ridiculous threads like these. I think it makes them feel good about themselves to have a good oul FG bash now and again.
This post is not without a certain amount of ridiculousness itself.
Fine Gael has always been a republican party.
 
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Fine Gael has always been a republican party.
Yes and that's my exact point, the FG legacy is one of true republicanism. However, this fact is continually hijacked by wannabe republicans on this site who have a problem with the law of the land and who suffer from an affliction where they feel to need to call all FG supporters West Brits.
 
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All Fine Gael supporters are not west brits.
Quite the contrary.

The country owes its very existence to the courage of Cosgrove,Collins,Mulcahy etc

However G.Fitzgerald was very close to being a west brit when it came to his legacy over the NI problem.

I blame this on his deference to his mother,s creed which inculcated a complete blindness on his behalf to the historical depradations of the Unionist/British community perpetrated on the Nationalists
 
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turdsl

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Yeah, Richard said senior instead of sub-ordinated.
Anyone who knew what he was talking about recognised it as a slip of the tongue, particularly as he was describing what the government had done with Anglo when told to do so by the EU.

No fear that Cowen and very limited company would ever admit to a mistake.


Brian Lenihan has made great improvements in the last year, he is leading the Nama debate,Fine Gael and Labour are lagging behind, Shane Ross that made the best impression
from the opposition yesterday.
 
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All Fine Gael supporters are not west brits.
Quite the contrary.

The country owes its very existence to the courage of Cosgrove,Collins,Mulcahy etc

However G.Fitzgerald was very close to being a west brit when it came to his legacy over the NI problem.

I blame this on his deference to his mother,s creed which inculcated a complete blindness on his behalf to the historical depradations of the Unionist/British community perpetrated on the Nationalists
I think your are wrong on Garret and the NI issue and I'll happily debate this with you another time in another thread, as the point of this thread, I think, was to discuss NAMA and Garret.
 

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However G.Fitzgerald was very close to being a west brit when it came to his legacy over the NI problem.

I blame this on his deference to his mother,s creed which inculcated a complete blindness on his behalf to the historical depradations of the Unionist/British community perpetrated on the Nationalists
that would have been his mother the nationalist would it ? please don't be so ignorant to assume / imply that all protestants (inc those of a Ulster Protestant background) were anti nationalist pro unionsts, just to suit your argument that Garrett was a west brit, it is both incorrect and offensive to many of us of similar backgrounds

extract from :-

Garret FitzGerald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although a senior figure on the 'pro-treaty' side of Ireland's political divide, Desmond FitzGerald had remained friendly with anti-Treaty republicans such as Belfast man Seán MacEntee, a minister in Éamon de Valera's government, and father-in-law of Conor Cruise O'Brien. The families of Patrick McGilligan and Ernest Blythe were also frequent visitors to the FitzGerald household. FitzGerald's mother, the former Mabel Washington McConnell, who, although an ardent nationalist and republican herself, was of Ulster Protestant descent, although some sources indicate that she became a Catholic on her marriage. Her son would later describe his political objective as the creation of a pluralist Ireland where the northern Protestants of his mother’s family tradition and the southern Catholics of his father’s could feel equally at home
 

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Yes and that's my exact point, the FG legacy is one of true republicanism. However, this fact is continually hijacked by wannabe republicans on this site who have a problem with the law of the land and who suffer from an affliction where they feel to need to call all FG supporters West Brits.

Fianna Fail and indeed Fine Gael should let the past lie, both of them committed some of the greatest acts of savagery on each other that would be hard to find anywhere in the world ,never mind the civilised world
 

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Am not aware of any legacy from this political lightweight other than his intense desire to negate National interests and to appease British and Unionist interests.

This is not surprising from a man whose fathers principal legacy as Minister of Defence was to alienate large segments of the officer cadre of the Irish army,and whose main interest was in trying to teach them the correct usage of knives and forks!
Nonsense, while Garret was in powe John Hume set the south's policy on Northern Ireland. Appeasement and rapprochement are not the same but one may require a degree of the other.

As for his father's run in with the officer corps: what kind of officer doesn't know how to eat correctly.
 

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west brit or not?

Garret Fitz was to all intents a decent honest man. But i would have to agree that when you look at the caliber of those that he surrounded himself with from his own party questions would have to be asked.
Paddy Cooney,P Donnegan Richie Ruin and the great west brit Paddy Harte.
Some of these men were borderline insane.
 

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Garret Fitzgerald doubled the national deficit when he got to power in the 80's. Why the hell should anybody listen to this old man in relation to NAMA. Time for Garret to go away and stop causing problems for Fine Gael and everybody else.:x
The problems in the 1980s were caused by FF's gross mismanagment from 1977 onwards. Twice in a generation FF has destroyed the economy and blight the prospects of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of Irish people.

As for doubling the national debt, FF is going to double the national debt in a single day when (if) NAMA is established.
 
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