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Gay friendly 'mosque' opens in paris.


NewDawn1

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I could not believe my eyes when I saw this article on the bbc news site:

BBC News - Gay-friendly 'mosque' opens in Paris

The article describes that; 'A prayer room described as Europe's first gay-friendly mosque is opening on the outskirts of Paris.'

My immediate reaction was positive, especially when I read that the opener of this 'mosque' Ludovic-Mohamed Zahed said "They don't want to be ostracised because they wear earrings or because they're effeminate or they're transgender, something that's pretty obviously rejected in many mosques in France,". Of which clearly this 'mosque' he feels would be a haven for these kind of Muslims. I was thinking that this could be the breakthrough Islam needs to really start integrating with Western Society and culture. Could this be the start of an Islamic enlightenment?

It seems however that the hype could be over not too much at all. The article goes on to say that:

'For the moment the place of worship is a room in a Buddhist prayer hall. The room holds more than 20 people and is decorated with calligraphy in Chinese characters.'

'London Imam Ajmal Masroor says that Mr Zahed's meeting room does not constitute a mosque as it does not fully adhere to Islamic preaching and practice.'

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'The Paris Grand Mosque has issued an unequivocal statement. "The fact that he's opening a mosque or a prayer room is something that's outside the Islamic community. The Koran condemns homosexuality. It is banned," said a Grand Mosque spokesman.'

So how big a step is this for Islam in Europe and the West? It seems to me that it is pretty irrelevant 'mosque' and in fact should not really even be called one as such (just a small prayer room). But its relative insignificance and reaction from mainstream, high level Muslims in France and the UK may be relevant in that it shows that the Muslim community is a long way contributing to the Western moves towards gay rights like for example the epic recent decision by the UK government to allow gay marriage.
 

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I wonder how long it will be until some of their more extreme co-religionists fire bomb the place and go chop chop in their 'effeminate' necks.

Being Muslim and gay must be an extremely cold place.
 

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I wonder how long it will be until some of their more extreme co-religionists fire bomb the place and go chop chop in their 'effeminate' necks.

Being Muslim and gay must be an extremely cold place.
You would be forgiven for thinking to guy who opened the place was suicidal!
 

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A false dawn?
 

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The historical reality is that homosexuality was common among Islamic leaders from the earliest days - including a certain figure I am reluctant to mention in case some people go beserk! In the early days, Islamic societies were om some respects more tolerant than Western Christendom. No so today. The humiliations inflicted on the Muslim world by the West must be considered as one of the reasons for this. It made the West and its cultural norms a dirty word for one-sixth of humanity.

The US and Israel in particular share the blame for this, as formerly does Western imperialism.
 

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the Muslim community is a long way contributing to the Western moves towards gay rights like for example the epic recent decision by the UK government to allow gay marriage.
Five of the eight Muslims in the House of Commons voted in favour of gay marriage ( the other three did not vote).

Are those five not part of the Islamic community?
 

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Five of the eight Muslims in the House of Commons voted in favour of gay marriage ( the other three did not vote).

Are those five not part of the Islamic community?
Not the mainstream Islamic community. Any politician in the main parties in the UK that claims to be a muslim has already gone way outside the 'norm' within their community.

Do you think that 5 out of 8 muslims in the UK agrees with gay marriage?
 

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The historical reality is that homosexuality was common among Islamic leaders from the earliest days - including a certain figure I am reluctant to mention in case some people go beserk! In the early days, Islamic societies were om some respects more tolerant than Western Christendom. No so today. The humiliations inflicted on the Muslim world by the West must be considered as one of the reasons for this. It made the West and its cultural norms a dirty word for one-sixth of humanity.

The US and Israel in particular share the blame for this, as formerly does Western imperialism.
"Reasons for this", reasons for what?
 

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Is it so hard for gay muslims not to project their sexuality blatantly when attending services? Should we have 'slapper' freindly Catholic churches that allow women to wear bra tops, short skits and stripper heals?

I know being gay in the muslim community is big taboo but is it necessary to project your sexuality in your image 24/7 and to have your sexulaity as the most important part of your identity?
 

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Is it so hard for gay muslims not to project their sexuality blatantly when attending services? Should we have 'slapper' freindly Catholic churches that allow women to wear bra tops, short skits and stripper heals?

I know being gay in the muslim community is big taboo but is it necessary to project your sexuality in your image 24/7 and to have your sexulaity as the most important part of your identity?
What would you define as 'gay projection'? If they say 'hiiiiiya' when they meet the Iman or if they say 'oh stop, your been so naughty' when their Iman tells them they are going to hell for fancying the same sex?
 

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Not the mainstream Islamic community. Any politician in the main parties in the UK that claims to be a muslim has already gone way outside the 'norm' within their community.

Do you think that 5 out of 8 muslims in the UK agrees with gay marriage?
I doubt it. But that doesn't mean that those who do aren't real Muslims, or that is isn't a mosque just because some clerics in Paris or London say so.
 

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What would you define as 'gay projection'? If they say 'hiiiiiya' when they meet the Iman or if they say 'oh stop, your been so naughty' when their Iman tells them they are going to hell for fancying the same sex?
I was getting on thew OP's point of men wearing earings or appearing effeminate going into Mosques.

I'm pretty sure they don't do on the spot gay tests on the way into Mosques.
 

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The historical reality is that homosexuality was common among Islamic leaders from the earliest days - including a certain figure I am reluctant to mention in case some people go beserk! In the early days, Islamic societies were om some respects more tolerant than Western Christendom. No so today. The humiliations inflicted on the Muslim world by the West must be considered as one of the reasons for this. It made the West and its cultural norms a dirty word for one-sixth of humanity.

The US and Israel in particular share the blame for this, as formerly does Western imperialism
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Clueless. I mean, genuinely clueless.
 

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I doubt it. But that doesn't mean that those who do aren't real Muslims, or that is isn't a mosque just because some clerics in Paris or London say so.
I thought it was the clerics that had to define what was a mosque and what was not?

I hope your right and that they are 'real Muslims'. I am not sure there is much scripture to back them up or if they represent anything other then themselves and their careers as politicians however.
 

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I was getting on thew OP's point of men wearing earings or appearing effeminate going into Mosques.

I'm pretty sure they don't do on the spot gay tests on the way into Mosques.
Fair enough.

Do you believe gays should hide their gayness in the mosques?
 

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"Reasons for this", reasons for what?
Reasons for the current intolerance in the Muslim world towards gay people.

By the way I want to make clear that the hyperlink on the "shared by" was not created by me.

I am a little concerned about hyperlinks appearing on text when it wasn't intended by users. Is this happening to other people or is it something to do with the search engine I'm using (Google Chrome)?
 

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Fair enough.

Do you believe gays should hide their gayness in the mosques?
If they want to attend Mosque wearing full drag or T-Shirts saying "I Love Willies", then yes. I am straight and when I go to church the only thing that projects the image that I am straight is the 6 year old young fella I drag along with me.
 
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