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Gay marriage will lead to euthinasia and reduction in the age of consent.


theloner

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Yes, you've guessed it, Paisley's son, has said 'You know, society isn’t God. God has his ways for people to live their life and if you stray outside those boundaries, ultimately you impact on how society is formed'.

There are several unionists on p.ie, most of them fantastic contributors to this forum, therefore this question goes out to them. Does the rhetoric of the largest unionist party represent you in this instance? I have enough faith in most posters that it doesn't. Don't be afraid to speak up though as he told Christian TV 'that I don’t hate them', 'them' referring to people who disagree with him. Although he did speak of 'hate' back in 2007 when he said the poofs were destroying our society, claiming:

'I am pretty repulsed by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society', that doesn’t mean to say that I hate them. I mean, I hate what they do.”

Although Paisley Jr. has obviously been a regular at his father's church, he revealed he has also been attending another church, the Elim Church (A Free-State sect at that). His new church believes 'The Bible, as originally given, to be without error, the fully inspired and infallible Word of God and the supreme and final authority in all matters of faith and conduct'. :shock:

To conclude his interview he said:

'I think the huge and significant change that the Government is pursuing with regards to marriage is significantly damaging and I think that is a challenge which goes right to the heart of society...I think that we’re going to see other challenges; I think we are going to see a very decisive attempt over the years ahead to reduce the age of consent for sexual relations – again, that’s an attack on society.

'I think that will flow from this change to the marriage law. I think there’s going to be another attempt to try and introduce euthanasia in the United Kingdom; another attack on society'.


He saves the best for last though, Paisley feels the legalisation of 'gay marriage' will lead to fewer 'straight marriages', bizarrely claiming 'Since same-sex marriages were introduced in Portugal, Spain and the Netherlands, mixed sex mariages have decreased quite considerably, indeed by tens and tens of thousands, the facts are clear'.

I only wish the facts around the sky-fairy he bases all his ignorant assumptions were as clear, however, I digress.

He was immediately called out by Yvette Cooper, the shadow minister for equalities. She rebuked his conclusion by stating:

'I think he would struggle to find a causal connection between the idea that some gay and lesbian couples are now able to get married has somehow meant the heterosexual couples are running away from the church door or registry office'.

He probably forgot to mention the fact marriages have been declining before these European countries allowed the fruits to marry. He also claimed 'Most people in Northern Ireland find homosexual relationships offensive and indeed obnoxious'. Is this true, is NI as homophobic as Paisley claims you and I are?

Gay marriage part of wider attack on society - Ian Paisley - Regional - Belfast Newsletter

Ian Paisley Jr says he has ‘grown up’ over anti-gay views - PinkNews.co.uk

Gay marriage part of wider attack on society - Ian Paisley - Regional - Belfast Newsletter

DUP hits at Trimble adviser's gay marriage | UK news | The Guardian

The first link is the relevant one to the OP, the others are merely for reference and links.
 


Pat Mc Larnon

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Paislet jnr has more in common with the other voodoo specialists who were at work in Woolwich that he does with the more normal members of society.
 
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Castle Ray

I think there are both religious and general society views on marriage in Northern Ireland that see it as between man and woman only. I don't see that as homophobic though regardless of any personal opinion on it (I don't care if gays marry or not). There are some religious zealots on the matter but I think they're a minority but a very vocal minority so you hear about them more.
 
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Paislet jnr has more in common with the other voodoo specialists who were at work in Woolwich that he does with the more normal members of society.
A Shinner trying to ridicule others about similarities to bloodthirsty fanatics butchering off-duty soldiers in cold blood is remarkable. Ffs! :roll:
 
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Castle Ray

The vocal minority calling for a change to the gender qualifications on marriage need to be faced down - well done Ian Og
There's a vocal minority on either side of the debate and a big "couldn't care less" majority in Northern Ireland. I don't think Paisley is right to say "most people in Northern Ireland" when referring to those against gay marriage.

However he was on QT the other night where the main lobbyist for gay marriage has a record of seeking lowering the age of consent for gay sex to minors as young as 14. So in some respects his statements are not without some foundation.

You should also watch last week's Nolan TV show to see the gay lobby in action. They made Jim Allister look reasonable!
 

Tir Eoghain

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You know what they say about the loudest Nay Sayers.Paul Berry , and , Jeff hasn't been proven yet for ordering gay movies in london, and Rev McCrea lol, he's as bent as a tyre. Is Lady Robinson still window licking ?
 

theloner

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The vocal minority calling for a change to the gender qualifications on marriage need to be faced down - well done Ian Og
Still listening to the men in frocks Arty? You'll find it's you and the geriatric posse that still hang on every word of the foreign catholic priests as they preach to the empty pews right across the island. The catholic church has managed to embarrass itself into the pathetic situation, the once powerful institution, it is in today. Even Enda pulled the embassy. It's 2013, marriage was alive and kicking before your book was dictated from above.
 
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Mercurial

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Progress on this issue is inevitable. People like Paisley Jr. will be the ones we play clips of to future generations when we want to shock them with how backward some people used to be.
 

rmn640

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Does Ian Og partake of the divil's buttermilk?

Those are not the ramblings of a coherent man
 

Drogheda445

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Yes, you've guessed it, Paisley's son, has said 'You know, society isn’t God. God has his ways for people to live their life and if you stray outside those boundaries, ultimately you impact on how society is formed'.

There are several unionists on p.ie, most of them fantastic contributors to this forum, therefore this question goes out to them. Does the rhetoric of the largest unionist party represent you in this instance? I have enough faith in most posters that it doesn't. Don't be afraid to speak up though as he told Christian TV 'that I don’t hate them', 'them' referring to people who disagree with him. Although he did speak of 'hate' back in 2007 when he said the poofs were destroying our society, claiming:

'I am pretty repulsed by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society', that doesn’t mean to say that I hate them. I mean, I hate what they do.”

Although Paisley Jr. has obviously been a regular at his father's church, he revealed he has also been attending another church, the Elim Church (A Free-State sect at that). His new church believes 'The Bible, as originally given, to be without error, the fully inspired and infallible Word of God and the supreme and final authority in all matters of faith and conduct'. :shock:

To conclude his interview he said:

'I think the huge and significant change that the Government is pursuing with regards to marriage is significantly damaging and I think that is a challenge which goes right to the heart of society...I think that we’re going to see other challenges; I think we are going to see a very decisive attempt over the years ahead to reduce the age of consent for sexual relations – again, that’s an attack on society.

'I think that will flow from this change to the marriage law. I think there’s going to be another attempt to try and introduce euthanasia in the United Kingdom; another attack on society'.


He saves the best for last though, Paisley feels the legalisation of 'gay marriage' will lead to fewer 'straight marriages', bizarrely claiming 'Since same-sex marriages were introduced in Portugal, Spain and the Netherlands, mixed sex mariages have decreased quite considerably, indeed by tens and tens of thousands, the facts are clear'.

I only wish the facts around the sky-fairy he bases all his ignorant assumptions were as clear, however, I digress.

He was immediately called out by Yvette Cooper, the shadow minister for equalities. She rebuked his conclusion by stating:

'I think he would struggle to find a causal connection between the idea that some gay and lesbian couples are now able to get married has somehow meant the heterosexual couples are running away from the church door or registry office'.

He probably forgot to mention the fact marriages have been declining before these European countries allowed the fruits to marry. He also claimed 'Most people in Northern Ireland find homosexual relationships offensive and indeed obnoxious'. Is this true, is NI as homophobic as Paisley claims you and I are?

Gay marriage part of wider attack on society - Ian Paisley - Regional - Belfast Newsletter

Ian Paisley Jr says he has ‘grown up’ over anti-gay views - PinkNews.co.uk

Gay marriage part of wider attack on society - Ian Paisley - Regional - Belfast Newsletter

DUP hits at Trimble adviser's gay marriage | UK news | The Guardian

The first link is the relevant one to the OP, the others are merely for reference and links.
I'm amazed that the "I think its gross" argument is still somehow considered a valid reason for opposing the legalisation of same sex marriage. Say what you like about the opposition down here, at least most of them debate fairly coherently and one might say fairly rationally. Northern Ireland, along with the Southern United States, seem to be few remaining places in the Western World where "God's" law or even the subjective opinions of interfering bigots are actually considered to be arguments against social issues like these. And unlike those who oppose same sex marriage for practical reasons, these are people who are not interested in debate. The human mind is very malleable, and people who, like Ian Jr, are being fed hatred from a young age are not open to rational discussion, but instead insist that their attitudes towards certain issues give them a right to dictate the lives of other people.

But this type of slippery slope argument is common in debates like these, and in historical ones such as interracial marriages and even as far back as the abolition of slavery. Its the tactic of those whose only capability is scaremongering, although thankfully most of the public are informed enough to ignore them.
 

Tir Eoghain

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Anything new or otherwise is a danger to Protestant Fundementalists so just attack it. This weekend was wee Micky Bo's anniversary when he was beat to death at 15 for being a Catholic in Ballymena. Question your loyalist friends about the Preecher ?
 

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I only wish the facts around the sky-fairy he bases all his ignorant assumptions were as clear, however, I digress.
There's no need for that.

I'm a christian but I have no problems with those who do not believe, that is entirely their prerogative, but I fail to see why you have to mock those of us who do.
 

SgtBilko

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A Shinner trying to ridicule others about similarities to bloodthirsty fanatics butchering off-duty soldiers in cold blood is remarkable. Ffs! :roll:
Indeed. Without a shred of self awareness or irony either it would seem. Remarkable stuff.
 

Ren84

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One thing Ian Og may be correct on is the age of consent. I believe it should be lowered to 14, but with restrictions so that only within 2 years of a 14 year old can engage in intercourse. 50 year olds riding school girls should be locked up. But no point in branding 16 yo kids paedos for engaging in sexual acts with 15 yo girls.
 

Glaucon

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I'm amazed that the "I think its gross" argument is still somehow considered a valid reason for opposing the legalisation of same sex marriage. Say what you like about the opposition down here, at least most of them debate fairly coherently and one might say fairly rationally. Northern Ireland, along with the Southern United States, seem to be few remaining places in the Western World where "God's" law or even the subjective opinions of interfering bigots are actually considered to be arguments against social issues like these. And unlike those who oppose same sex marriage for practical reasons, these are people who are not interested in debate. The human mind is very malleable, and people who, like Ian Jr, are being fed hatred from a young age are not open to rational discussion, but instead insist that their attitudes towards certain issues give them a right to dictate the lives of other people.

But this type of slippery slope argument is common in debates like these, and in historical ones such as interracial marriages and even as far back as the abolition of slavery. Its the tactic of those whose only capability is scaremongering, although thankfully most of the public are informed enough to ignore them.
Children usually reflect the bigotry of their parents, unless self-emancipation has been effected. His father led a campaign entitled, "Save Ulster from Sodomy". The fact that he is "repulsed" by homosexuality is, therefore, of no surprise.

The DUP reflects the morality of 17th century Calvinist fanatics.
 

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