gender pay gap reporting

Betson

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This from the examiner about the best and worst company's for gender pay gap.

Who are the best and worst so far?

NWN media, which owns a range of local newspapers, currently tops the table with a median gender pay gap of 85.2%.

Luxury skincare brand Elemis sits at the opposite end of the spectrum with a gap of 111.4% in favour of women.
So a company which average pays females over 111%more than they pay males is deemed the best in terms of pay the gap. So is it really about pay equality at all then?
 


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The age pay gap should be investigated next
Older people earn far more on average than younger people
This needs to be evened out if we are to become a fairer society
 

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This is pretty simple stuff.

First, the reporting requirement is based on hourly pay so the fact that women are more likely to work part time shouldn't in itself affect the results.

But beyond that, it is entirely reasonable that companies' shareholders, employees and consumers should see the pay gap reported and make decisions accordingly.

And within that there are basically two types of gaps that need explaining.

The first is where men disproportionately occupy legitimately high earning positions - pilots versus cabin crew for example. No one is suggesting that companies should address that by paying the same for all positions. But companies should certainly explain what they are doing to balance out the genders of high earning positions. If some of that gap is due to factors beyond their control (if there is a lack of women looking to become pilots, for example) then they can explain that in their reporting.

But the second is when men disproportionately occupy roles that are higher paid for no obvious reason. For example, if warehouse staff at a supermarket are paid more than shop floor staff despite the work being of comparative difficulty, both requiring similar skill levels, both adding broadly the same value to the company - then that is a different sort of gap. In that case, the company should explain why they pay similar roles differently where the effect of that is that roles occupied mainly by men are higher paid.
 

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You need to look at the small print with respect to companies such as Ryanair. For example if the comparison is between pilots and cleaners there would be a massive difference in earnings with I would imagine very few female pilots.
It was on the radio this morning. Only 8 pilots in Ryanair Uk's base are female .

I see the real battle being certain low paid jobs attract women as men tend to shy away. Childcare and Air Stewards are classics for this. Plus part time due to having kids. Part time early in career kills promotion prospects.
 

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It was on the radio this morning. Only 8 pilots in Ryanair Uk's base are female .

I see the real battle being certain low paid jobs attract women as men tend to shy away. Childcare and Air Stewards are classics for this. Plus part time due to having kids. Part time early in career kills promotion prospects.
There are any number of reasons that women tend to earn less.

This reporting requirement means that we can build a better picture of those reasons, identify which are in the control of companies and which require a national response, and which are actually, genuinely solely down to the choices women themselves make.

For example, childcare, until recently, can't be said to be a choice women made entirely, since until recently, the only real parental leave on the birth of a child was for the mother (except for two weeks for fathers). The recent changes allowing mothers and fathers to split parental leave will help. But this sort of reporting is precisely what will help identify the sorts of national measures, as well as company-level measures, that will be needed.
 

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But the second is when men disproportionately occupy roles that are higher paid for no obvious reason. For example, if warehouse staff at a supermarket are paid more than shop floor staff despite the work being of comparative difficulty, both requiring similar skill levels, both adding broadly the same value to the company - then that is a different sort of gap. In that case, the company should explain why they pay similar roles differently where the effect of that is that roles occupied mainly by men are higher paid.
i disagree , working in a warehouse is more anti social maybe requires certification in machinery , risk of injury and at the end of the day women are free to apply for warehouse jobs
 

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The American corporations I worked for would not disclose anyone's pay or increases. They were determined by your value to the company multiplied by your perceived tendency to leave.
Then there was the French company where the HR lady went out the gate every day at 2pm to collect her children but when a talented lady engineer asked for a month's leave she could not be spared and was refused. She of course resigned.
There are many reasons for pay gaps.
 

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The age pay gap should be investigated next
Older people earn far more on average than younger people
This needs to be evened out if we are to become a fairer society
Older people earn more for example because they have more experience and are therefore of more value to their employers. Where there is an incremental payscale obviously an older person will be earning more than a younger person.

How is it fair to pay a young raw worker the same as a worker with years of experience?
 

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do people take this seriously or is everyone just playing along, currently im watching Bianca Jagger who is only there because she married a musician nearly a century ago slag off Ryanair on sky news, Theresa May says its a matter of "justice" and she is going to do stuff. So apart from wasting all the employees time who have to gather all this information, what it going to achieve?


What is the gender pay gap at your company? - BBC News

worst offenders? that doesnt make any sense
A total waste of time.
 
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Older people earn more for example because they have more experience and are therefore of more value to their employers. Where there is an incremental payscale obviously an older person will be earning more than a younger person.

How is it fair to pay a young raw worker the same as a worker with years of experience?

Because not every young person is raw.
Experience alone should not entitle someone to higher pay.
Pay levels should be determined by talent and ability - not age.
 

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Because not every young person is raw.
Experience alone should not entitle someone to higher pay.
Pay levels should be determined by talent and ability - not age.
Experience is usually quantifiable, talent - not so much. Which do you think is more important in the Airline or Retail industries: experience or talent?
 
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Experience is usually quantifiable, talent - not so much. Which do you think is more important in the Airline or Retail industries: experience or talent?
Yes experience (which really means age) its quantifiable but its a meaningless measure of ability or talent
Using that measure actually discriminates against younger people
 
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No it doesn't usually mean age in many professions - experience means experience.



Completely wrong.
So you would reward someone with experience who has little talent and not very good at his/her job?
That's age discrimination
 

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I see in the papers today UK conservative headquarters are boasting about how the figures reveal they pay their female staff on average nearly 13% more than they pay their male staff.

Will they be investigating themselves about this pay disparity between the genders?
Oh yeah, following the "progressive" agenda on gender pay gaps, it's mana from heaven that men are paid less, and in double digits too.

I think the reporting requirement should be great. It will be good to get proper figures and meaningful data on the issue because at the moment there is a lot of vague platitudes and hidden information.

Take Ruanair for instance. Is their gender pay gap because more women take up air stewarding and check in jobs with more men being pilots for instance? The narrative tends to be skewed toward women being paid less for the same job and nasty little male managers are keeping the sisters down by paying them less. It's all a load of agenda filled bolloxology. It's illegal to pay less for the same job. It's rare that it happens I bet and having this data should shine a whole new light on the matter.
 

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Uber PC Google released their gender pay comparison in the last few weeks and it was mostly in line with the general pay gap in favour of male employees.

But they say they drilled down through all the figures which were audited and they say in not one single case is a woman getting paid less for doing the same job as a man , the discrepancy's are accounted for in the types of work undertaken by each employee , seniority and hours worked etc , gender is not a factor. I suspect most companies will find the same.
Exactly. Let's see how many of the vocal slink back into the shadows once clarity emerges.
 

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It's not really in pay that the gap is an issue, it's in positions held within the companies where you have a disproportionate number of males holding senior positions.
That's correct but I hope you are not suggesting the reasons for that are all mysongenistic n stuff.
 

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That is basically the argument that is made by many , Google got criticized for paying their technical staff such as programmers(mostly men) etc more than their admin or customer support staff(mostly female). The fact that they have to pay their technical staff a high salary to stop them been poached dos not seem to register with people at all.
I suppose it matters not that the technical work is what gives Google its competitive advantage. Without such workers, Google wouldn't exist.
 


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