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General Liam Lynch 90th Anniversary


freewillie

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On this day in 1923 General Liam Lynch officer comanding the Republican forces was killed on the Knockmealdown Mountains while attempting to evade capture by Free State forces. Described as a "doctrinaire" Republican he played a very significant part in the War of Independence leading the North Cork Brigade.
Historical documents would also indicate that he was adamant that the the fight against the Free State would continue even though other Republican leaders realised that their position was hopeless.
Lynchs attitude was as he stated "We have declared for a Republic. We will live under no other law"

.Due to our inadequate teaching of history many are completely unaware of the achievements of men like Liam Lynch, Sean Moylan etc Like so many other figures in Irish history different organisations claim Lynch to their own resulting in a number of commemorations beiing held each year for him. The FF one at Kilcrumper each September was always notable for its speakers. I cant remember anyone from the FG camp being invited to speak though unlike the recent breakthroughs at the Collins commemoration.
 


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He was a dishonourable individual to have led so many in folly and violance against the democratic will of his own people!
 

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Nutter.

If it wasn't for him it could have ended sooner.

"Looper Lynch".

His kin are in Leinster House & Stormont now - were they could have been at the Time of The Treaty.

The Unionists would have choked at Nationalism being united at that time & we'd have a UI or be closer by now.

Another whinger that achieved nothing after the Treaty.
 

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The Dáil accepted the Treaty.

Then the people were told the majority were not right!
 

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The bullet holed tunic Lynch wore when he was shot is on display at Collins barracks next to the overcoat worn by Collins when he was shot. Because of his superficial resemblance to De Valera when at first the 50 or so Free State troops who came across the fallen die-hard he said: "I am Liam Lynch, Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Republican Army. Get me a priest and doctor, I'm dying."

[video=youtube;f27SlOFJ55M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27SlOFJ55M[/video]
 

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Nutter.

If it wasn't for him it could have ended sooner.

"Looper Lynch".

His kin are in Leinster House & Stormont now - were they could have been at the Time of The Treaty.

The Unionists would have choked at Nationalism being united at that time & we'd have a UI or be closer by now.

Another whinger that achieved nothing after the Treaty.


Why did the Republicans attack the part of Ireland that had won freedom rather than attacking the six counties?
 

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Ironically Lynch united with Rory O'Soapdodger & Co on top of the Four Courts after he ordered them to come down.

Imagine trying to bring the Brits back out onto the Streets for a War when the Brits were packing up to leave & then claiming to be Patriots acting for the best interests of Ireland...
 

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Even if the Treaty had been rejected by a majority of a few votes what kind of fool would have started a Civil War over it?

Anyone starting a war should first answer a few questions .

What was the plan?

First defeat the new State and then resume war with the UK?
 

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Yeah - you read one from Stormont...



"Unbroken & unbowed" :lol:
 

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He was a dishonourable individual to have led so many in folly and violance against the democratic will of his own people!
He and other republican leaders genuinely believed the Irish people had been terrorized by the British into accepting the Anglo-Irish Treaty and the general election in the summer of 1922 reflected the fear rather than the will of the people. They had sworn an oath to the Republic declared in 1916 and they saw the Treatyites as traitors. They saw former Crown civil servants, former RIC and former British soldiers simply change uniform and become part of the Irish civil service, Gardaí and National Army and they saw Anglo-Irish nobles become senators in the Seanad. As they saw it the six counties had a created an imprisoned Catholic minority in a Ulster Protestant dominated Ulster while the British retained control of the Treaty ports. So the Free State fell short of what they had dreamed of and fought for. If Lynch had survived the Civil War he possibly could have been a rival for the leadership of whatever version of political opposition would have emerged once the conflict was over and normal politics resumed. Perhaps Lynch might have been leader of Fianna Fáil or its equivalent rather than De Valera? The same might be said of other republican leaders who also died.

Lynch had opposed the occupation of the Four Courts but honor demanded he fight against the Free State when Collins ordered the bombardment in June 1922. He ordered attacks on pro-Treaty TDs after the Free State began the execution of republican prisoners. Lynch was a poor military leader who allowed republican forces to be defeated in detail by Free State forces before he ordered the beginning of the guerrilla phase of the Civil War. His stubborn desire to keep the war going when clearly it was a military failure demonstrated a weakness and flaw in his character.

The excesses and hot heads and mistakes of both sides could be put down to youthful stupidity.

Lynch was only 29 when he died.

Collins was only 31.

Kevin O'Higgins who ordered the executions of republicans was only around 30 in 1922-1923.
 
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He and other republican leaders genuinely believed the Irish people had been terrorized by the British into accepting the Anglo-Irish Treaty and the general election in the summer of 1922 reflected the fear rather than the will of the people. They had sworn an oath to the Republic declared in 1916 and they saw the Treatyites as traitors. They saw former Crown civil servants, former RIC and former British soldiers simply change uniform and become part of the Irish civil service, Gardaí and National Army and they saw Anglo-Irish nobles become senators in the Seanad. As they saw it the six counties had a created an imprisoned Catholic minority in a Ulster Protestant dominated Ulster while the British retained control of the Treaty ports. So the Free State fell short of what they had dreamed of and fought for. If Lynch had survived the Civil War he possibly could have been a rival for the leadership of whatever version of political opposition would have emerged once the conflict was over and normal politics resumed. Perhaps Lynch might have been leader of Fianna Fáil or its equivalent rather than De Valera?
What hid he believe would have happened if there was no Treaty or if it was rejected.

The matter hwas bigger than his right to fight to his death as it involved fighting to the deaths of many others too. Their rights and aspirations mattered too.

The people are sovreign. The Army serves the people rather than the people serving the interests of the Army leader!

The defeat of the anti treaty forces proved the violence was in vain and unjustified!
 

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He was just a modern day Dominic McGlinchey or Dessie O Hare.
He wasn't like that now come on.

He was misguided but should be remembered for the good he done before the Treaty too.

I'm angry at the missed chance & can't stand these so called Patriots slapping themselves in the back when they were the liability Post Treaty.
 

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What hid he believe would have happened if there was no Treaty or if it was rejected.

The matter hwas bigger than his right to fight to his death as it involved fighting to the deaths of many others too. Their rights and aspirations mattered too.

The people are sovreign. The Army serves the people rather than the people serving the interests of the Army leader!

The defeat of the anti treaty forces proved the violence was in vain and unjustified!
I'm not a FGer Ib are you?

Are you a Muslim- if so you have an incredible grasp of 1920's Ireland.
 

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How awful civil war was, and directed against the South. They anti treatyites even blew up Marconi trans Atlantic station in Clifden,
 

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What hid he believe would have happened if there was no Treaty or if it was rejected.

The matter hwas bigger than his right to fight to his death as it involved fighting to the deaths of many others too. Their rights and aspirations mattered too.

The people are sovreign. The Army serves the people rather than the people serving the interests of the Army leader!

The defeat of the anti treaty forces proved the violence was in vain and unjustified!
De Valera and Lynch and others were undoubtedly vain but so too were Arthur Griffith, Michael Collins, Richard Mulcahy, Kevin O'Higgins too.

The Lloyd George's British Cabinet delegation who negotiated the Anglo-Irish Treaty overawed the Collins-Griffith led delegated and out-maneuvered.

Wiser old men on both sides of the Civil War divide would have kept cooler heads.

Instead the Diehards and the Staters were lead by teenage boys and young men in their twenties who only a few short years before were under the thumbs of their mothers and fathers.

Now they were members of the Dáil and commanders of troops.

Both sides lost the run of themselves while the Conservatives and Tories laughed as they walked into the trap of Civil War.
 

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They got the 26 forever - good move. :p

They'd all be dead by now anyway.

Unionists are surrounded inside & outside the "Teddy Bear's head"

Ours for the taking :p
 

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We often forget how young participants were. Boys were given uniforms for war, great responsibility was thrust on young shoulders even in ordinary day to day things.
 

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