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George Gibney connected to Opus Dei by Justine McCarthy on Pat Kenny


Toland

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Justine McCarthy has mentioned paedophile swimming coach George Gibney's (http://www.abusewatch.net/AWWanted.php) connections to Opus Dei on Pat Kenny this morning.

Is this new?

I'd never heard this before.

He's living in the United States and has been working with children's charities in Latin America.

She reckons he's highly unlikely to have stopped offending.
 
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Justine McCarthy has mentioned paedophile swimming coach George Gibney's (AbuseWatch.NET) connections to Opus Dei on Pat Kenny this morning.

Is this new?

I'd never heard this before.

He's living in the United States and has been working with children's charities in Latin America.

She reckons he's highly unlikely to have stopped offending.
Yes indeed, Opus Dei is frequently named in connection with child abuse scandals - including ones that bring down Governments. The following is from UK historian Richard Webster's essay "States of Fear, The Redress Board and Ireland's Folly". (The essay forms part of his 600 page book "The Secret of Bryn Estyn" regarding a child abuse witch-hunt in Wales; it also includes material on other countries including Ireland).

http://www.richardwebster.net/print/xbrynestynireland.htm

"The beginnings of the story [in Ireland] go back to 1994 when the authorities in Northern Ireland sought the extradition from the Republic of Father Brendan Smyth, a Catholic priest who was facing a number of counts of child sexual abuse to which he would eventually plead guilty. It would appear that he had previously been protected against allegations by his own Norbertine order, which had moved him from parish to parish as complaints arose, and failed to alert the police. Perhaps because of the age of the allegations, which went back twenty years, there was a delay of several months during which the Irish attorney general took no action in relation to the extradition request. Unfounded reports began to circulate in Dublin that the process was being deliberately delayed in response to a request made at the highest level by the Catholic Church. An Irish opposition deputy, Pat Rabbitte, then referred in parliament to the possible existence of a document that would ‘rock the foundations of this society to its very roots’. He apparently had in mind the rumoured existence of a letter written by the Primate of All Ireland, Cardinal Cathal Daly, to the attorney general in Dublin. In this letter the Cardinal had supposedly interceded on behalf of Father Brendan Smyth and requested the delay in his extradition which had in fact taken place.

No evidence has been produced that any such letter ever existed. Yet, as a direct result of the rumours which now swept the country, confidence in the ruling establishment was undermined and the Fianna Fail government of Albert Reynolds fell, amidst talk of a dark conspiracy involving politicians, members of Opus Dei, the Knights of Columbus and others. This conspiracy was allegedly seeking to cover up the activities of paedophile priests."



Justine McCarthy is a worthy successor to Pat Rabbitte in exposing the evils of Opus Dei!!
 
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Have no idea. The point being made about Murphy is that it was it seems a surprise that he was appointed to the position, given his involvement in the sport, and his lack of relevant experience. And he also happened to be a member of OD.
KofC is a right wing secretive organisation, as is OD. Don't know if there is a crossover of membership
 

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What you quote doesn't either explicitly or implicitly refer to Opus Dei.

Do you have something to say on the subject of the thread?
Are you referring to my post? Did you read the extract from Webster's essay - including the following:

No evidence has been produced that any such letter ever existed. Yet, as a direct result of the rumours which now swept the country, confidence in the ruling establishment was undermined and the Fianna Fail government of Albert Reynolds fell, amidst talk of a dark conspiracy involving politicians, MEMBERS OF OPUS DEI, THE KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS AND OTHERS. [emphasis added].This conspiracy was allegedly seeking to cover up the activities of paedophile priests."

The then Attorney General Harry Whelehan was supposed to be a member of Opus Dei. So was a senior Legal Officer who directly handled the extradition. A major role in the fiasco was played by the NEW Attorney General who disregarded the evidence of the two principals - probably because he believed the rumours about Opus Dei. By the time it was clear that Whelehan and the other man were telling the truth, the Government of Albert Reynolds had already fallen.

Is Justine McCarthy trying to generate another ludicrous witch-hunt centering on Opus Dei?
 

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But have you any information Kilbarry1.

Anything at all but dark mutterings about Opus Dei and sim.?
You are the one who is uttering dark mutterings about Opus Dei - see the title of this thread. With a view to heading off this witch-hunt I will quote from another historical essay

FALSE ALLEGATIONS: PAT RABBITTE AND CARDINAL CATHAL DALY

Since some people may still be reluctant to attribute these events to hysteria it is useful to check on how the authorities in the UK viewed the issue. After all they were the ones who wanted to extradite Father Brendan Smyth. If there was a conspiracy between Church and State in Ireland, then the judicial authorities in the UK were the target of said conspiracy.

The following are extracts from the House of Commons Hansard Debates for 21 November 1994:

Mr. Mackinlay: To ask the Attorney-General what representations his Department received from the Catholic Church in respect of Brendan Smyth; and if he will make a statement.

The Attorney-General: None.
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OPUS DEI

Mr. Mackinlay: To ask the Attorney-General what is his policy in relation to employing members of Opus Dei in his Department.

The Attorney-General: There is no specific policy in relation to the secondment of Opus Dei members to my Department. The civil service does not discriminate on grounds of religion.

If it were not so politically incorrect, one might imagine the Whitehall mandarins being quietly amused at the antics of their ridiculous ex-colonial subjects.
"New caught sullen peoples, half devil and half child" indeed - should they ever have let us go?
 

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I am heading out now but as to Justine McCarthy's credibility in relation to the Catholic Church see article

PRO-LIFE ACTIVIST WINS LIBEL CASE AGAINST THE IRISH INDEPENDENT

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It is almost impossible to find this story in the national media. In November 1997 Niamh Nic Mhathúna of Youth Defence was viciously libelled in the Irish Independent by Justine McCarthy (who now works for the Sunday Tribune). The Irish Independent used every possible legal stunt to drag out the libel proceedings over 9 years and 50 court appearances. Finally in April 2007 they apologised in the High Court and paid her legal costs and substantial damages. ........

“Alive” newspaper June 2007
AFTER a nine and a half year struggle for justice, a leading Irish pro-life campaigner has finally won an apology, her legal costs and substantial damages from the Irish Independent.

The David and Goliath court marathon arose following remarks made about Niamh Nic Mhathúna in two articles by journalist Justine McCarthy. Ms Nic Mhathúna (now Uí Bhriain) claimed that the articles insinuated that she had been trained in the US to bomb abortion centres.

The apology was read out in the High Court, and afterwards Mrs Uí Bhriain confirmed to "Alive" that she is going ahead with a libel case against another newspaper in the Independent Group. Speaking outside the Four Courts, Aoife de Clár, a friend of Mrs Uí Bhriain,said she was “really thrilled”at the outcome.“The media regularly attempt to blacken pro-life people in order to undermine the pro-life message,” she said. “Niamh has shown great courage in defending her good name.”

Apology
In its apology the Irish Independent said: “In articles published in November 1997 we referred to Ms Niamh Nic Mhathuna, then spokesperson for the pro-life organisation, Youth Defence. It is suggested that the articles meant that she had been trained in illegal activities and actions of a violent nature. We are happy to acknowledge that this was untrue, that no such meaning was intended and that Ms NicMhathuna is a person of the highest integrity.”

In one article, on 29 November [1997], Justine McCarthy,who now works for the Sunday Tribune, wrote:

“Its [Youth Defence’s] best-known spokeswoman, Niamh Nic Mhathúna, has travelled to the U.S. in the past where she has met members of Operation Rescue, the militant organisation with a worldwide notoriety for bombing abortion clinics. It is widely accepted in Washington that Operation Rescue trains like-minded anti-abortion activists in elements of its campaigning tactics.”

In fact there were never any grounds for such allegations against Operation Rescue, much less Ms Ni Mhathúna ........


Justine McCarthy's references to Opus Dei should be considered in the light of the above.
 

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That's right brother Kilbarry, there's no such thing as child abuse. You just Keep doing God's Work...
 

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Why is his membership relevant?
I would be uncomfortable about one member of a secretive religious association with a mixed reputation being appointed by the government, substantially to investigate the illegal activities of another member of that organisation, especially if those activities might reflect badly on the organisation in question.

Would you not?
 

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I have no idea if McCarthy is right or wrong on this issue. All I do know, from personal experience of Opus Dei (it targeted a couple of friends of mine in college. One of them had a horrendous experience when he stood up to attempts to bully him to join. His lecturer was heavily involved in OD and did everything he could to lure him in) that I have complete and utter comtempt for the organisation. It is nothing more than a Catholic version of the Moonies or Scientology. Successive taoisigh have banned its members - and members of other secretive organisations - from serving in cabinet, since one cabinet minister in the 1930s and 1940s, Sean T O'Kelly, was found to be leaking information to another secretive Catholic cult, the Knights of Columbanus, and made it clear that his first loyalty was to it, not to the state, the government or the party. De Valera sent Sean T to the presidency as a way to get him of the cabinet because he found out that despite resigning from the Knights on de Valera's orders, Sean T and immediately rejoined and was leaking information again.

For once I agree with the Catholic bishops, all of whom regard Opus Dei with contempt. John Paul II granted it a personal prelature when bishops in the UK and France announced that they were banning it from their dioceses. The prelature meant that the bishops were powerless to act against it, as it has the pope's personal authority and is answerable to him, not bishops.

It is a contemptive organisation that no-one in their right mind should associate with. One friend of mine was lured into it in the early 1990s. He ended up cutting ties with his family and friends, becoming a religious fanatic and ended up in hospital being treated for injuries he caused himself when he began whipping and beating himself at the urgings of those he came in contact with in OD.

His family ended up approaching clergy who had been involved in cult-busting to see if they could get him free from OD's clutches. It failed. He turned from being a pretty normal guy to becoming and extreme religious fundamentalist.
 

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Successive taoisigh have banned its members - and members of other secretive organisations - from serving in cabinet

I'd agree whole heartedly with you on Opus Dei and there methods (and bang on with the Moonies/Scientology comparison) however the above is not strictly true. It is hardly coincidence that Freemason Hall is just around the corner from Leinster House, which is still a secretive (if not completly insane like the others mentioned) group.
 

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I'd agree whole heartedly with you on Opus Dei and there methods (and bang on with the Moonies/Scientology comparison) however the above is not strictly true. It is hardly coincidence that Freemason Hall is just around the corner from Leinster House, which is still a secretive (if not completly insane like the others mentioned) group.
To be fair it was there long before Leinster House became the home of parliament.
 

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To be fair it was there long before Leinster House became the home of parliament.
Nevertheless, it's a secretive organisation, with enough of their own wacky ideas (though to each his prayer) and they take oaths to put their fraternity above all else (I don't give sh*t how allegorical it's supposed to be). Appartenace of these organisations should be declared as an interest and after that let the voters decide if it bothers them.
 
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