Germany, Austria hit out at US over new anti-Russian sanctions

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Germany, Austria hit out at US over new anti-Russian sanctions

“Unacceptable” new anti-Russian sanctions approved by the US Senate violate international law, affect European companies and have a real aim of benefitting the US oil and gas sector, Berlin and Vienna said in an angry joint statement.

“Europe's energy supply is a matter for Europe, and not the United States of America!” said the joint statement by German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern, published on Thursday.

“We cannot accept threatening European companies that contribute to the development of the European energy supply [system] with extraterritorial sanctions that violate the international law.”

“Sanctions as a political instrument should not be linked to economic interests,” the statement says. It adds that “threatening German, Austrian and other European enterprises, which take part in the gas supply projects such as the Nord Stream II together with Russia or finance them, with penalties on the US market would add an absolutely new and highly negative aspect in relations between the US and Europe.”​

Strong words indeed.

Are US and EU interests joined at the hip? What's good for one, is always good for the other? Or is there is there a discussion to be had?

How does Europe benefit, or lose? Or is it a mixture of both?
 


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Where are all the "objective" pro-EU liberals when faced with a disagreement based on a very practical basis between the US and its Euro satellites?

Silence speaks volumes.
 

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Umm, Europe knows the new sanctions arent aimed so much at Russia but at European companies.

Simples.
 

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Germany, Austria hit out at US over new anti-Russian sanctions

“Unacceptable” new anti-Russian sanctions approved by the US Senate violate international law, affect European companies and have a real aim of benefitting the US oil and gas sector, Berlin and Vienna said in an angry joint statement.

“Europe's energy supply is a matter for Europe, and not the United States of America!” said the joint statement by German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel and Austrian Chancellor Christian Kern, published on Thursday.

“We cannot accept threatening European companies that contribute to the development of the European energy supply [system] with extraterritorial sanctions that violate the international law.”

“Sanctions as a political instrument should not be linked to economic interests,” the statement says. It adds that “threatening German, Austrian and other European enterprises, which take part in the gas supply projects such as the Nord Stream II together with Russia or finance them, with penalties on the US market would add an absolutely new and highly negative aspect in relations between the US and Europe.”​

Strong words indeed.

Are US and EU interests joined at the hip? What's good for one, is always good for the other? Or is there is there a discussion to be had?

How does Europe benefit, or lose? Or is it a mixture of both?
It's simple really, these sanctions violate international law, continue and it may incur the wrath of the EU, Russia and the other BRIC countries combined. Maybe it's not a bad thing, it may swing international interests towards a less unipolar economy.
 

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It's simple really, these sanctions violate international law, continue and it may incur the wrath of the EU, Russia and the other BRIC countries combined. Maybe it's not a bad thing, it may swing international interests towards a less unipolar economy.
If means thugs like Putin and the Chicoms getting equal billing with the civilised world that is a bad thing.
 

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In fairness it is reported elsewhere including the FT, this is an example of the EU and Germany in particular displaying their own hypocrisy, condemning Russia for an invasion of the Ukraine, that the EU helped to precipitate, but excluding a gas pipeline that will directly fund the regime they are criticising, for their own selfish interests and not even being concerned even about the environmental impact let alone anything else.

It is about as hypocritical as Donald Trump tightening restrictions on Cuba citing human rights concerns less than a month after he licked Saudi ass.

No doubt the US see this a double benefit, imposing sanctions that benefit your own energy industry is a win win, but the EU shouldn't be talking out of both sides of their mouth either, if Putin is that bad then they clearly shouldn't be making the German economy more dependent on Russian energy.
 

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Besides talking, what will Germany and Austria really do, as mere satellite states? Will they truly defy the USA? What would the consequences be for them, and for Europe?
 

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It still has to go to the House where it's fate is uncertain. I support the sanctions. Nordstream is a tool of Russian influence in Europe and is opposed by Poland and the Baltic states.
 

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Besides talking, what will Germany and Austria really do, as mere satellite states? Will they truly defy the USA? What would the consequences be for them, and for Europe?
The EU has a strong history of slapping counter measures on the US until they come to their senses. I remember suggestions of trade sanctions against exports from swing states being an option.
 

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It still has to go to the House where it's fate is uncertain. I support the sanctions. Nordstream is a tool of Russian influence in Europe and is opposed by Poland and the Baltic states.
Its only opposed by Poland and Baltics because they wanted it on their land. Nordstream cuts both ways. EU needs the gas and Russia needs the cash. Its partly about tieing Russia economicallly to the larger and more powerful EU and so limiting Russias options.
 

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The EU has a strong history of slapping counter measures on the US until they come to their senses. I remember suggestions of trade sanctions against exports from swing states being an option.
Specifics? Can you elaborate?
 

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The Germans spent time b!tching about Trump.

But this move is being pushed by the Congress. Serves the Germans right!
 

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The flat squeak of deflating Kremlin propaganda.

Poor Surkov - back to the factory for you. :)
 

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UPDATE 2-Germany threatens retaliation if US sanctions harm its firms

Germany threatened on Friday to retaliate against the United States if new sanctions on Russia being proposed by the U.S. Senate end up penalising German firms.

The Senate bill, approved on Thursday by a margin of 98-2, includes new sanctions against Russia and Iran. Crucially, it foresees punitive measures against entities that provide material support to Russia in building energy export pipelines.

Berlin fears that could pave the way for fines against German and European firms involved in Nord Stream 2, a project to build a pipeline carrying Russian gas across the Baltic.

Among the European companies involved in the project are German oil and gas group Wintershall, German energy trading firm Uniper, Royal Dutch Shell, Austria’s OMV and France’s Engie.

Will Germany follow through, or ultimately back down and tow the line?
 

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Cat still caught your tongue?

Loooooool
Sorry, I dont spend as much time on the internet as you seem to.

Here you go:

" In retaliation, the European Union threatened to counter with tariffs of its own on products ranging from Florida oranges to cars produced in Michigan, with each tariff calculated to likewise hurt the President in a key marginal state. The United States backed down and withdrew the tariffs on December 4.[4]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_steel_tariff

I must show you how to use Google sometime...
 


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