Germany bans Erdogan rally

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In a dispute reminiscent of the dispute between the Netherlands and Turkey earlier this year (and, indeed, similar occurrences in Germany itself) Germany has decided to ban a rally which Erdogan wished to hold on the sidelines of the coming G20 in Hamburg. This comes as German-Turkish relations are becoming increasingly tense. Germany has recently decided to withdraw troops from Incirlik, Turkey after Turkey refused members of the Bundestag the access needed to visit the deployed troops.

Germany blocks Erdogan rally during G20 summit in Hamburg

Germany says it would be inappropriate for Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to address Turks in Germany during the G20 summit next week.

German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said Turkey had made such a request officially, but "it's not a good idea". "We have constitutional justification for doing this," he said.

Hamburg will host the G20 on 7-8 July.

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Mr Gabriel told German media that "on the sidelines of the G20 we don't have the police numbers to provide the security" necessary for Mr Erdogan to address Turks.

He said "ours is an open country, but we have no intention of bringing other countries' internal political conflicts into our population".

The chairman of the Turkish Community in Germany (TGD), Gökay Sofuoglu, backed Mr Gabriel's stance, saying "I want it clearly stated that such a mass event will not be allowed here in Germany", the Handelsblatt daily reported.
Germany has also warned Turkey not to bring Turkish security agents who were charged for violent scuffles in Washington last month.
Thus far there doesn't seem to be an official or unofficial response from Turkey. Given recent history one would expect a lot of bluster and outrage from Erdogan.

Germany says
Germany blocks Erdogan rally during G20 summit in Hamburg - BBC News
 


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In a dispute reminiscent of the dispute between the Netherlands and Turkey earlier this year (and, indeed, similar occurrences in Germany itself) Germany has decided to ban a rally which Erdogan wished to hold on the sidelines of the coming G20 in Hamburg. This comes as German-Turkish relations are becoming increasingly tense. Germany has recently decided to withdraw troops from Incirlik, Turkey after Turkey refused members of the Bundestag the access needed to visit the deployed troops.



Thus far there doesn't seem to be an official or unofficial response from Turkey. Given recent history one would expect a lot of bluster and outrage from Erdogan.

Germany says
Germany blocks Erdogan rally during G20 summit in Hamburg - BBC News
Perfectly reasonable.

Any Turks living in Germany who want to hear the Caliph of Ankara can take a cheap flight home...
 

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The Sultan did address a rally in Germany a few years ago. He told the Turks there that integration would be "a crime".
 

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What is it with Erdogan and dropping into countries in the midst of national elections? Is it just to rabble rouse?
 

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It's a common trait among the ummm less civilized peoples of the world. They learn what the aspirations and ideals of a western state... such as freedom of movement or freedom of speech. They can be quite vehement in the insistence. But do they or their home country have or display any such ideals or aspirations? Noooooo sirrrrrrr.
A good example of this was when a communist would insist on his right to demonstrate or publish his propaganda or hold demonstrations... for example in West Berlin.
He would loudly shout down any attempts to curtail his freedoms.
But 200 yards away in a communist state, the exercise of such freedoms would have meant a lengthy jail sentence (and probably much further punishment)

It's the same with the new Irish insisting on their rights in this country.
The reciprical rights for an Irish person don't exist
The notion that I could go to somewhere in africa or the Gulf states (if such was my inclination) and insist on getting a council house, or permanent residence rights or citizenship...
They would laugh at me if I was lucky. Probably much worse would happen.
 

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Germany should enter this for the Eurovision next year. It would win hands down.

[video=youtube;R2e2yHjc_mc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2e2yHjc_mc[/video]
 

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And yet they have no problem paying so much money to his government.....

Pure optics for the upcoming election.
 

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And if Trump refused to let the leader of Mexico address a Mexican community meeting in NY after a UN Plenary session the very same poster would be up in arms shrieking about racism ....

But its germany so its genuflection time :roll:
 

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In a dispute reminiscent of the dispute between the Netherlands and Turkey earlier this year (and, indeed, similar occurrences in Germany itself) Germany has decided to ban a rally which Erdogan wished to hold on the sidelines of the coming G20 in Hamburg. This comes as German-Turkish relations are becoming increasingly tense. Germany has recently decided to withdraw troops from Incirlik, Turkey after Turkey refused members of the Bundestag the access needed to visit the deployed troops.



Thus far there doesn't seem to be an official or unofficial response from Turkey. Given recent history one would expect a lot of bluster and outrage from Erdogan.

Germany says
Germany blocks Erdogan rally during G20 summit in Hamburg - BBC News
They should tell all the Turks to go home.


There are plenty of Syrians to take their place.
 

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Absolutely right. Erdogan is Turkey's version of Putin-a dictator and a thief. Time for a well aimed bullet.
 

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What is it with Erdogan and dropping into countries in the midst of national elections? Is it just to rabble rouse?
He regards them as his people. Often, they think the same. Anyone who has passed an area where Turkish people live in Germany will have noticed the flags and if a wedding passes with the horns beeping you'll see more flags out the window then the convoy in Belfast when the IRA announced the ceasefire.Its not the German flag flying.

Europe has for years allowed communities to live separately as if they were still back in their home countries. Women are allowed to be told they must wear the scarf, people are told their cultural norms are as equally acceptable as the German norm. That might have been well when the neo liberal west ruled all before it but those days are gone and people like Erdogan don't reciprocate intercultural dialogue. It's all take and he will take all he can.

You can't buy a free market solution for this or rely on intercultural sensitivity training.

Welcome to the real world Germany. Dream time is over.
 

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And yet they have no problem paying so much money to his government.....

Pure optics for the upcoming election.
There you go. Nail Meet Hammer.

Neo liberal playbook 101. Condemn but still visit. We believe in the environment but we leave Volkswagen do all crazy stuff. We believe in equality for women do we have women only carriages and dress them up like scarecrows in Saudi. We support democracy in Turkey but here is a few billion.
 

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And if Trump refused to let the leader of Mexico address a Mexican community meeting in NY after a UN Plenary session the very same poster would be up in arms shrieking about racism ....

But its germany so its genuflection time :roll:
There is some Truth to that Justinian.
 

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Laurence Britt is a political scientist who came up with 14 characteristics of Fascism. They were widely quoted at the time if Trump's inauguration but as the media frenzy moves to the next thing they have slided off.

Take a look and you can see that Erdogan hits the nail on the head for everyone of them. Not in the Oh My God Trump said that way but in a he jailed 100k way.

Erdogan is indisputably a Fascist but you won't find it said too often.
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
 


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