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Germany Censors Major Poverty Report


stopdoingstuff

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The Germans are in trouble and they know it-things are getting so bad that their government saw fit to censor its own report on poverty and wealth allocation in Germany. This is the allegedly strong country that is supposed to bail out Europe, but clearly it cannot even tell its own people the truth about the sad decline that has spread across all of Europe. Good luck relying on Germany- I am sure their hardpressed workers will love bailing out everyone and giving up more power to the EU.

LEAKED: The Uncensored Report On Poverty In Germany - Business Insider

Poverty data has been stirring public debate for a while, and across most of Europe. Even the largest consumer products companies are adjusting to it by using commercial strategies that were successful in developing countries.....

But now the Labor Ministry’s “Poverty and Wealth” report, as revised by the Economy Ministry, was leaked to the Süddeutsche Zeitung, which then put a grunt to work to compare the two versions. Turns out, the original version had been censored!
It started in the introduction. In the new version, the sentence, “Private wealth in Germany is very unevenly distributed,” has been deleted.
The original version pointed out: “While wages have risen in the upper areas over the past ten years, lower wages adjusted for inflation have dropped. The income spread has increased,” which would hurt “the sense of justice of the people” and could “jeopardize social cohesion.” Incendiary words, emanating from a Labor Ministry run by a conservative government. Too incendiary.
It was replaced by the new jargon, heard so often in the battle over Greece: falling real wages were an “expression of structural improvements” in the labor market and created low-wage jobs for many unemployed people.
It is instructive that the same EU-speak that is used to lie to conquered countries is now being used to lie to the German people. It is also instructive to see how much countries in Europe are being run like China- if the truth is inconvenient, then just make up something more suitable. It also neatly undermines that as soon as a statistic or a report gets anywhere near a political organization, it quite often loses more and more of its information value and becomes both more manipulated and less actionable.

Here is the actual report:
http://www.testosteronepit.com/storage/2012-11-28_Draft-4th-Armutsbericht-Bundesregierung_17-9-2012.pdf

And here are some selected low points from the original article:
For example, in 1998, the lower 50% of the population owned 4% of all private wealth, while the upper 10% owned 45%. By 2008, the lower 50% owned only 1%, but the upper 10% had increased its share to 53% (at the expense also of the in-between 40%). Other reports have painted similar pictures.
The poverty report by Germany’s statistical agency showed that the “poverty rate” in Germany has been creeping up: in 2008, it was 15.5%; in 2009 it was 15.6%, and in 2010 it was 15.8%. Particularly hard-hit were people under 65 who lived alone. Their poverty rate was 36.1%. For single-parent households, it was 37.1%.
The city of Munich issued its own poverty report. By taking into account Munich’s high cost of living, it found that nearly a fifth of its residents lived in poverty.
So can we stop with all the Germany- worshipping and all the false optimism and just admit that Europe is well and truly in bits, and that neither of the big two are in any fit state to be bailing anyone out?
 

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The Germans underwent a decade of austerity to get to be where they are today. Social welfare rates are, I believe, a lot lower than here.

*hops out of way to avoid stampede of naysayers*
 
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I don't expect this thread to do very well but thank you all the same sds.
 

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Interesting.

One of BBC4 TV's current documentaries on Why Poverty said that in the US, the wealth of the top 400 people exceeded that of the poorest 150 million of the US population!

It also gave similar statistics about the general opening of the wealth gap between the top and bottom in society over recent years.
 

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The Germans underwent a decade of austerity to get to be where they are today. Social welfare rates are, I believe, a lot lower than here.
But surely a fairly implemented austerity would narrow inequality? Asking those with a greater share of the wealth to sacrifice a greater share of that wealth.

In Germany it apparently did the opposite. As it is currently doing in Greece. As it is currently doing in Ireland.

Now either this is an unintended consequence, in which case austerity policies need to be urgently re-thought, or it is an intended consequence, in which case the democratically elected governments that are imposing such policies need to be honest about those intentions.
 

EUrJokingMeRight

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Most Germans are ok, just like the Irish.

It is the governments that are shockingly poor/corrupt.
 

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a minority of poor people are poor for a reason they deserve to be poor as they have never shown any ambition to better themselves.
 

greenwithirony

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Interesting.

One of BBC4 TV's current documentaries on Why Poverty said that in the US, the wealth of the top 400 people exceeded that of the poorest 150 million of the US population!

It also gave similar statistics about the general opening of the wealth gap between the top and bottom in society over recent years.
It is the point, & victory, of neoliberalism. And its cheerleaders want more, faster, harder, bigger, better. They won't be happy til we have the same (non)rights as the Chinese.

Companies Hoard Cash, Damping Growth - WSJ.com

Super Rich Hide $21 Trillion Offshore, Study Says - Forbes

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: This is What Corporate Governance Looks Like

Watch them crawl out of the woodwork here, some of them funded no doubt by the Kochtopus

 

stopdoingstuff

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I don't expect this thread to do very well but thank you all the same sds.
Yeah, I don't think it will do great. The Eurotrons can't really justify it and it's not even news to those who know better and those who refuse to drink drink the kool-aid being dispensed by the governments and their mainstream-media cheerleaders.
 

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It is the point, & victory, of neoliberalism. And its cheerleaders want more, faster, harder, bigger, better. They won't be happy til we have the same (non)rights as the Chinese.

Companies Hoard Cash, Damping Growth - WSJ.com

Super Rich Hide $21 Trillion Offshore, Study Says - Forbes

The Trans-Pacific Partnership: This is What Corporate Governance Looks Like

Watch them crawl out of the woodwork here, some of them funded no doubt by the Kochtopus

You've been watching FOX news again, haven't you?
 

Kitty O'Shea

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People are paid 1E/hr alongside salaried staff on E10/yr, the state subsidises the remainder of the wage. Apparently idea was that companies would then employ those on the lower wage and pay the full wage but this hasn't happened. There have been protests in Germany over rates of pay.
Also, in Germany rent allowances are more generous than here, plus, in the cities there is no need for car ownership (owning a car in Germany is very expensive).
 

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You've been watching FOX news again, haven't you?
Nope.

Care to discuss the substantive issues raised in the articles/graph linked to?
 

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Interesting.

One of BBC4 TV's current documentaries on Why Poverty said that in the US, the wealth of the top 400 people exceeded that of the poorest 150 million of the US population!

It also gave similar statistics about the general opening of the wealth gap between the top and bottom in society over recent years.
What we need is a bit of good old fashioned communism

Marxism Leninism Today
 

turfman

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The Germans are in trouble and they know it-things are getting so bad that their government saw fit to censor its own report on poverty and wealth allocation in Germany. This is the allegedly strong country that is supposed to bail out Europe, but clearly it cannot even tell its own people the truth about the sad decline that has spread across all of Europe. Good luck relying on Germany- I am sure their hardpressed workers will love bailing out everyone and giving up more power On Poverty In Germany - Business Insider[/url]



It is instructive that the same EU-speak that is used to lie to conquered countries is now being used to lie to the German people. It is also instructive to see how much countries in Europe are being run like China- if the truth is inconvenient, then just make up something more suitable. It also neatly undermines that as soon as a statish

And here are some selected low points from the original article:


So can we stop with all the Germany- worshipping and all the false optimism and just admit that Europe is well and truly in bits, and that neither of the big two are in any fit state to be bailing anyone out?
I I think this thread exposes the european problem very well.Europe is not working,and it is simply not democratic.Look at what is happening in england.They know that europe is on its knees.When this country joined europe it was because what wil happen if we dont,not lets unite with europe for a bright future.We were told we would have a strong voice in europe,instead,we have a whimper.
The cuture of nations is important and germany cannot help itself,it has to be the boss at all costs.But it is like a dog chasing a car and now that it has caught it,it cant figure out how to drive it.
 

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Germany is insisting on imposing economic policies on other countries to ensure that those other countries cannot buy luxury goods manufactured in Germany.

Now, seriously, can anybody, I mean, anybody, spot the possible flaw in that policy?

Anybody care to guess the results?
 

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There is poverty in Monaco too, if you look hard enough.
 

Franker65

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The poverty in Germany is very visible indeed. Just visit the Ruhr area and towns like Dortmund, Essen and Oberhausen and you'll see it immediately. They're bankrupt and crippled by declining industry and solidarity tax payments to eastern Germany. If you speak to the people there or look at statistics, they feel Greece is a direct threat to German prosperity and they shouldn't suffer for the consequences of Greek political errors.
 
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