Germany looks set to legalize marriage equality.

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So, it looks like it's finally going to happen. The parliament of the European Union's largest country is going to vote on Friday whether or not to grant equal recognition to same sex couples. If passed, the new law would grant full marriage rights, including the ability to jointly adopt children, to same sex couples. At the moment, such couples in Germany are only able to register their relationships as "civil unions".

To my mind, there are two things that are remarkable about this:

(a) It has taken so long for Germany to do what pretty much every other West European country has done.

(b) The sudden change (and it has been sudden) seems to have come about after a comment by Chancellor Merkel on Monday night in which she dropped her long time opposition to the proposal - this being in turn a result of her having recently "met a lesbian couple who lovingly care for eight foster children in her [Merkel's] Baltic coast constituency."

The comment on Monday night was the signal to her CDU party parliamentary members that they can vote according to their consciences. Was that it? Was one woman holding up the whole thing?

Anyway, assuming it passes, the only countries from the pre-2004 EU where marriage equality is still not law within its borders will be Greece, Austria, Italy and the United Kingdom**. Switzerland is also a holdout in this regard.

**Northern Ireland

RTÉ News: German parliament to vote on gay marriage
 


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It will be interesting to see how the CDU and CSU divide on the issue. I suspect the Noes will be higher than many might expect.

Not surprised about Greece (Orthodox Church still very strong, and not a very progressive country, also a lot more going on!) or Switzerland or Austria either really (strong far-right parties, plus large Muslim populations). Unfair to include the UK in the list of holdouts because of dreary little NI - by any standards the UK (as in Britain) has been an extremely gay-friendly country for many years now.
 

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If the next govt is CDU-FPD - which polls show is not unlikely - then it becomes more likely
 
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It will be interesting to see how the CDU and CSU divide on the issue. I suspect the Noes will be higher than many might expect.

Not surprised about Greece (Orthodox Church still very strong, and not a very progressive country, also a lot more going on!) or Switzerland or Austria either really (strong far-right parties, plus large Muslim populations). Unfair to include the UK in the list of holdouts because of dreary little NI - by any standards the UK (as in Britain) has been an extremely gay-friendly country for many years now.
Well....Ulster is as British as Finchley, allegedly. :lol:

Regarding Germany, I wonder if Merkel is thinking about the up and coming September elections and - knowing that there's little room on the right of her party because of AfD - wants to see if there's wiggle room on the left?
 

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If the next govt is CDU-FPD - which polls show is not unlikely - then it becomes more likely as the FDP leader is gay.
Surely the vote will be in the current parliament? It will pass either way, only issue is the margin and the level of holdouts in the CDU/CSU.
 

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So, it looks like it's finally going to happen. The parliament of the European Union's largest country is going to vote on Friday whether or not to grant equal recognition to same sex couples. If passed, the new law would grant full marriage rights, including the ability to jointly adopt children, to same sex couples. At the moment, such couples in Germany are only able to register their relationships as "civil unions".

To my mind, there are two things that are remarkable about this:

(a) It has taken so long for Germany to do what pretty much every other West European country has done.

(b) The sudden change (and it has been sudden) seems to have come about after a comment by Chancellor Merkel on Monday night in which she dropped her long time opposition to the proposal - this being in turn a result of her having recently "met a lesbian couple who lovingly care for eight foster children in her [Merkel's] Baltic coast constituency."

The comment on Monday night was the signal to her CDU party parliamentary members that they can vote according to their consciences. Was that it? Was one woman holding up the whole thing?

Anyway, assuming it passes, the only countries from the pre-2004 EU where marriage equality is still not law within its borders will be Greece, Austria, Italy and the United Kingdom**. Switzerland is also a holdout in this regard.

**Northern Ireland

RTÉ News: German parliament to vote on gay marriage


Was she previously condemned as a homophobe (in the way that the DUP is condemned) due to her previous attitude?

I doubt it.

Just as Obama wasn't condemned as a homophobe by the lefties when he opposed same sex marriage on the entirely reasonable basis that he said marriage involved 1 man and 1 woman. That was his previous view.

It really isn't about what you believe - it's all about who you are.
 

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Another progressive step from the second EU country to legalise sex work.
 

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I don't think anyone should take their moral guidance from the country that recently (this lifetime) chose Hitler .
 

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Was she previously condemned as a homophobe (in the way that the DUP is condemned) due to her previous attitude?

I doubt it.

Just as Obama wasn't condemned as a homophobe by the lefties when he opposed same sex marriage on the entirely reasonable basis that he said marriage involved 1 man and 1 woman. That was his previous view.

It really isn't about what you believe - it's all about who you are.
Surely you can't be unaware that there's a lot more to the DUP's homophobia than opposition to SSM?
 

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I don't think anyone should take their moral guidance from the country that recently (this lifetime) chose Hitler .
Did they choose Hitler though?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_referendum,_1934

......The government used widespread intimidation and electoral fraud to secure a large "yes" vote. This included stationing brownshirts at polling stations and forcing clubs and societies to march to polling stations escorted by Nazi storm troopers and then vote in public. In some places polling booths were removed or banners reading "only traitors enter here" hung over the entrances to discourage secret voting. In addition, many ballot papers were pre-marked with "yes" votes, spoiled ballot papers were frequently counted as having been "yes" votes, and many "no" votes were recorded to have been in favour of the referendum question. The extent of this forgery meant that in some areas the number of votes recorded to have been cast was greater than the number of people able to vote.[4]

On the other hand, the Nazis made little effort to prevent either the casting or tabulation of negative or invalid votes in districts that were known to have large populations of Jews, Poles and other ethnic minorities. As was the case in November 1933, the Nazi leadership considered the expected unfavourable results in such areas to be useful in their propaganda as proof of disloyalty to the Reich. This was the last national vote in which Jews and other minorities were allowed to cast ballots prior to their being stripped of citizenship rights the following year upon enactment of the Nuremberg Laws.......
 

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So, it looks like it's finally going to happen. The parliament of the European Union's largest country is going to vote on Friday whether or not to grant equal recognition to same sex couples. If passed, the new law would grant full marriage rights, including the ability to jointly adopt children, to same sex couples. At the moment, such couples in Germany are only able to register their relationships as "civil unions".

To my mind, there are two things that are remarkable about this:

(a) It has taken so long for Germany to do what pretty much every other West European country has done.

(b) The sudden change (and it has been sudden) seems to have come about after a comment by Chancellor Merkel on Monday night in which she dropped her long time opposition to the proposal - this being in turn a result of her having recently "met a lesbian couple who lovingly care for eight foster children in her [Merkel's] Baltic coast constituency."

The comment on Monday night was the signal to her CDU party parliamentary members that they can vote according to their consciences. Was that it? Was one woman holding up the whole thing?

Anyway, assuming it passes, the only countries from the pre-2004 EU where marriage equality is still not law within its borders will be Greece, Austria, Italy and the United Kingdom**. Switzerland is also a holdout in this regard.

**Northern Ireland

RTÉ News: German parliament to vote on gay marriage
If you pull down your borders on a whim, it's entirely consistent that you smash marriage as well.
 

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Bullsh!te. Lindner is not gay !
Edited I think I was confusing him with one of their previous leaders who was Vice Chancellor in the last CDU-FDP govt, Guido Westerwelle.
 

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When the first gay abortion takes place, it will change everything,,

Sure a cleft palate is enough to get you the abortion bin these days , so can't see the liberals having a problem with gay unborns getting the bin,, would be fooking hypocrisy of the highest order if they did.

so, no more healthy gays being born ? (which I am 100% against) but,, apparently,,

That's a progressive way of thinking,,,

Reap what you Sow,,
 

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Edited I think I was confusing him with one of their previous leaders who was Vice Chancellor in the last CDU-FDP govt, Guido Westerwelle.
Correct. He resigned in 2011 and died since of leukemia.
 

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If you pull down your borders on a whim, it's entirely consistent that you smash marriage as well.
As in granting women the right to vote was "smashing democracy"?
 

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When the first gay abortion takes place, it will change everything,,

Sure a cleft palate is enough to get you the abortion bin these days , so can't see the liberals having a problem with gay unborns getting the bin,, would be fooking hypocrisy of the highest order if they did.

so, no more healthy gays being born ? (which I am 100% against) but,, apparently,,

That's a progressive way of thinking,,,

Reap what you Sow,,
Did you say on another thread that you're a solicitor. Not bigging up solicitors in anyway, but why do you put on this nonsense persona to make light of your ignorant views.
 

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When the first gay abortion takes place, it will change everything,,

Sure a cleft palate is enough to get you the abortion bin these days , so can't see the liberals having a problem with gay unborns getting the bin,, would be fooking hypocrisy of the highest order if they did.

so, no more healthy gays being born ? (which I am 100% against) but,, apparently,,

That's a progressive way of thinking,,,

Reap what you Sow,,
 

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So, it looks like it's finally going to happen. The parliament of the European Union's largest country is going to vote on Friday whether or not to grant equal recognition to same sex couples. If passed, the new law would grant full marriage rights, including the ability to jointly adopt children, to same sex couples. At the moment, such couples in Germany are only able to register their relationships as "civil unions".

To my mind, there are two things that are remarkable about this:

(a) It has taken so long for Germany to do what pretty much every other West European country has done.

(b) The sudden change (and it has been sudden) seems to have come about after a comment by Chancellor Merkel on Monday night in which she dropped her long time opposition to the proposal - this being in turn a result of her having recently "met a lesbian couple who lovingly care for eight foster children in her [Merkel's] Baltic coast constituency."

The comment on Monday night was the signal to her CDU party parliamentary members that they can vote according to their consciences. Was that it? Was one woman holding up the whole thing?

Anyway, assuming it passes, the only countries from the pre-2004 EU where marriage equality is still not law within its borders will be Greece, Austria, Italy and the United Kingdom**. Switzerland is also a holdout in this regard.

**Northern Ireland

RTÉ News: German parliament to vote on gay marriage
She needs the Socialists on board if she is to get a majority in the Reichstag come September

- simple as

Ignore the fluffy cover story....
 


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