Germany to deport German born citizens. New precedent?

Truth.ie

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Some positive news for a change.
Germany will be deporting 2 German born ISIS suspects who they describe as "very dangerous".
Will they be able to do this without opposition from the ECHR?
The two are of Algerian and Nigerian background and both nations are co-operating and willing to take them in.
Guns and ISIS flags were found at their homes.
Two German-born terror suspects to be deported - BBC News

Should Ireland also now wise up and start deporting ISIS members and supporters born in Ireland?
Ireland is the second biggest host of Islamic foreign fighters in the World (per capita). Most not born here but still allowed to stay.
 


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An all-important nuance to keep in mind when discussing this case is that the individuals concerned are not German nationals.

This case would be massively different if they actually were and there would be no deportation in such a case.


See post #6 for explanation and links.
 
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An all-important nuance to keep in mind when discussing this case is that the individuals concerned are not German nationals.

This case would be massively different if they actually were and there would be no deportation in such a case.
But the thread title says they are citizens. Surely a poster called truth.ie would never post untruths?
 
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But the thread title says they are citizens. Surely a poster called truth.ie would never post untruths?
Not quite.

Proof you didnt read the story.

Germany determines citizenship by the nationalities of one or both parents and also a person's place of birth.

It matters not the ECHR will not allow this deportation
 

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Not quite.

Proof you didnt read the story.

Germany determines citizenship by the nationalities of one or both parents and also a person's place of birth.

It matters not the ECHR will not allow this deportation
The story is correct in stating how Germany determines nationality. The story is also incomplete. It is not quite as simple as being born in Germany. For one, the law applies for those individuals born on or after 1 January 2000. Obviously these individuals were born before that date.

I refer to Wikipedia regarding the German nationality law and also to the below articles by Deutsche Welle which clearly identify these individuals as the nationals of states other than Germany:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law
Two German-born terror suspects to be deported from country | News | DW.COM | 22.03.2017
German police raids target Islamists suspected of planning terror attack | Germany | DW.COM | 09.02.2017
 
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Not quite.

Proof you didnt read the story.

Germany determines citizenship by the nationalities of one or both parents and also a person's place of birth.

It matters not the ECHR will not allow this deportation
I read the story. I also understood it.
Q: do you think the link supports the word "citizen" in the thread title? As a matter of fact and law, are the two individuals mentioned citizens of Germany or not?
 

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OP needs to understand the meaning of Jus Soli and Jus Sanguinis.
 

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It's not like Ireland has never deported one of its own citizens.
 

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The BBC link in the OP does not say they are citizens merely German born.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Be fair to the OP. Who among us hasn't missed a bit of detail, while furiously masturbating to our favourite online porn?
 

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The BBC link in the OP does not say they are citizens merely German born.
Yet on the Halawa thread the stock reply is "Halawa was born in Ireland so he is Irish".
Seems the position seems to shift when it suits people,
 

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Citizenship urgently needs redefining as do the rights and obligations of same.

Removal of citizenship and Deportation for specified offences should certainly form part of such arrangements
 

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Citizenship urgently needs redefining as do the rights and obligations of same.

Removal of citizenship and Deportation for specified offences should certainly form part of such arrangements
The year 2000 cut off point needs to be changed as many of these Islamists will be coming of age soon and Germany will not legally be able to deport them.
 

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Yet on the Halawa thread the stock reply is "Halawa was born in Ireland so he is Irish".
Seems the position seems to shift when it suits people,
He's an Irish citizen whether you or your ilk like it or not. Only one Irish citizen has ever been deported. Google it.
 

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Citizenship urgently needs redefining as do the rights and obligations of same.

Removal of citizenship and Deportation for specified offences should certainly form part of such arrangements
You of all people should be careful what you wish for!
 

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You of all people should be careful what you wish for!
I usually get what I wish for so it is you, not me, who needs to be careful.
 


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