Germany's hypocritical condemnation on Japan's executions of poison gas terrorists.

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The modern German state was created out of the ashes of WW2 when the USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. During that same war period, that same Germany executed millions of innocent people and used poison gas to do it.

The government’s human rights envoy, Baerbel Kofler, called the poison gas attack on rush-hour commuters in Tokyo’s subway that killed 13 people and sickened more than 6,000 a “terrible deed. Which it was. Government spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters in Berlin on Friday that Germany wants “the unconditional abolition of the death penalty and we convey this position toward friendly states as well.”

Japan’s justice minister says she approved the executions of a cult leader and six of his followers because of the seriousness of their crimes and the pain they inflicted.

The seven death row inmates were hanged Friday for their involvement in several deadly attacks carried out by the doomsday Aum Shinrikyo cult.

Justice Minister Yoko Kamikawa said the death sentences were deserved because the systematically plotted crimes were so heinous and prompted fears of terrorism both in Japan and abroad. She signed the execution order on Tuesday. This cult group used sarin gas.

We need all to write to the German Ambassador in Dublin and tell him to to keep to hell out of japan's affairs. This is more of the German guilt feeling for their terrible deeds in the last century. A crowd of commies the lot of them. Congratulations Japan. If there is a video of the executions, please release it.
 
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The leader sounds like no great loss to humanity.

"Asahara, 63, a pudgy, partially blind yoga instructor, was sentenced to hang in 2004 on 13 charges, including the subway gas attacks and other crimes that killed at least a dozen people.

He pleaded not guilty and never testified but muttered and made incoherent remarks in court during the eight years of his trial. The sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2006.

In all, 13 cult members were sentenced to death during more than 20 years of trials, which came to an end in January 2018.

Asahara, who founded Aum in 1987, said that the United States would attack Japan and turn it into a nuclear wasteland. He also said he had travelled forward in time to 2006 and talked to people then about what World War Three had been like."
 

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This, ladies and gentlemen, is what stupid is when it's at it stupidest.
We do not agree on many things, Toland, but to forever shut up German voices on grounds of what their forefathers did, is what caused much of the trouble we have in Europe right now. Perhaps the Morgenthau Plan would have been kinder...if the following generations were to be to forever be judged by their forebear's actions.
I applaud that German lady. The death penalty is contrary to human decency. Incarceration for life of dangerous criminals is fine.
 

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We do not agree on many things, Toland, but to forever shut up German voices on grounds of what their forefathers did, is what caused much of the trouble we have in Europe right now. Perhaps the Morgenthau Plan would have been kinder...if the following generations were to be to forever be judged by their forebear's actions.
I applaud that German lady. The death penalty is contrary to human decency. Incarceration for life of dangerous criminals is fine.
There is no such thing as human decency, just what you personally find decent. Locking somebody in a cage for the rest of their lives may be indecent to others.

In cases involving the murder of an individual, the next of kin of the victim should be allowed to choose the death penalty or life in jail for the murderer. I’d want to see the murderer of my loved one hang, to see the body shake. That is justice (revenge is good)
 

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There is no such thing as human decency, just what you personally find decent. Locking somebody in a cage for the rest of their lives may be indecent to others.

In cases involving the murder of an individual, the next of kin of the victim should be allowed to choose the death penalty or life in jail for the murderer. I’d want to see the murderer of my loved one hang, to see the body shake. That is justice (revenge is good)
right so

touching sentiments
 

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Sentiments don’t have to be soft to be real. Humans need a sense of justice and revenge is a very real emotion, it is unnatural to try to prohibit it.
Sentiments shouldn't run anyone's life or any society.

Natural isn't necessarily good. In fact it often isn't. Civilisation is all about controlling nature.

Ever read Lord of the Rings?
 

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The Japs seem to "do their own thing" to a greater extent than the Germans. For example,they don't seem as hidebound by modern political corectness and virtue signalling.

Maybe it has to do with the utter breakdown of the German armed forces in WW II whereas although the Japanese did surrender it was not after their country had been invaded and totally occupied. i.e. they made a choice to surrender and arguably the surrender was not unconditional.
 

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Sentiments shouldn't run anyone's life or any society.

Natural isn't necessarily good. In fact it often isn't. Civilisation is all about controlling nature.

Ever read Lord of the Rings?
Never read or saw it, so the reference is lost on me. We are animals, who choose rules to better the wellbeing of the group. I think we must take into account our nature when choosing such rules.
 

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The Japs seem to "do their own thing" to a greater extent than the Germans. For example,they don't seem as hidebound by modern political corectness and virtue signalling.

Maybe it has to do with the utter breakdown of the German armed forces in WW II whereas although the Japanese did surrender it was not after their country had been invaded and totally occupied. i.e. they made a choice to surrender and arguably the surrender was not unconditional.
Or maybe it's because the German constitution and Germany's international obligations prohibit the death penalty and the former not just sets rules, but also a relationship between the individual and the state which has a certain universal tone to it. A radical idea, I know.
 

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We need all to write to the German Ambassador in Dublin and tell him to to keep to hell out of japan's affairs.
But what happens then if Japanese people write to us to tell us to keep to hell out of Germany's affairs?
 

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But what happens then if Japanese people write to us to tell us to keep to hell out of Germany's affairs?
And what if the Swiss then write to remind you of what proper neutrality looks like? Oh, the conundrums this proposed act might cause!
 

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The modern German state was created out of the ashes of WW2 when the USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. During that same war period, that same Germany executed millions of innocent people and used poison gas to do it.

The government’s human rights envoy, Baerbel Kofler, called the poison gas attack on rush-hour commuters in Tokyo’s subway that killed 13 people and sickened more than 6,000 a “terrible deed. Which it was. Government spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters in Berlin on Friday that Germany wants “the unconditional abolition of the death penalty and we convey this position toward friendly states as well.”

Japan’s justice minister says she approved the executions of a cult leader and six of his followers because of the seriousness of their crimes and the pain they inflicted.

The seven death row inmates were hanged Friday for their involvement in several deadly attacks carried out by the doomsday Aum Shinrikyo cult.

Justice Minister Yoko Kamikawa said the death sentences were deserved because the systematically plotted crimes were so heinous and prompted fears of terrorism both in Japan and abroad. She signed the execution order on Tuesday. This cult group used sarin gas.

We need all to write to the German Ambassador in Dublin and tell him to to keep to hell out of japan's affairs. This is more of the German guilt feeling for their terrible deeds in the last century. A crowd of commies the lot of them. Congratulations Japan. If there is a video of the executions, please release it.
Sorry, who was hanged and who killed with the gas?
 

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We do not agree on many things, Toland, but to forever shut up German voices on grounds of what their forefathers did, is what caused much of the trouble we have in Europe right now. Perhaps the Morgenthau Plan would have been kinder...if the following generations were to be to forever be judged by their forebear's actions.
I applaud that German lady. The death penalty is contrary to human decency. Incarceration for life of dangerous criminals is fine.
Ireland just voted to give the death penalty to unborn babies. Where does that square with your post?
 

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We need all to write to the German Ambassador in Dublin and tell him to to keep to hell out of japan's affairs.
Yes, the Germans should leave the administration of law and order in Japan to the Japanese. Just as you folk in Eire should leave decisions about the immigration policy of the USA to Americans.


BUT please, who gave you the right to dictate what all of us need to do? Why are you trying to incite us into interfering with the foreign policy of Germany?
 

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This, ladies and gentlemen, is what stupid looks like when it's at its stupidest.
It's just because they build wind turbines there.
 

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The modern German state was created out of the ashes of WW2 when the USA dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. During that same war period, that same Germany executed millions of innocent people and used poison gas to do it.

The government’s human rights envoy, Baerbel Kofler, called the poison gas attack on rush-hour commuters in Tokyo’s subway that killed 13 people and sickened more than 6,000 a “terrible deed. Which it was. Government spokesman Steffen Seibert told reporters in Berlin on Friday that Germany wants “the unconditional abolition of the death penalty and we convey this position toward friendly states as well.”

Japan’s justice minister says she approved the executions of a cult leader and six of his followers because of the seriousness of their crimes and the pain they inflicted.

The seven death row inmates were hanged Friday for their involvement in several deadly attacks carried out by the doomsday Aum Shinrikyo cult.

Justice Minister Yoko Kamikawa said the death sentences were deserved because the systematically plotted crimes were so heinous and prompted fears of terrorism both in Japan and abroad. She signed the execution order on Tuesday. This cult group used sarin gas.

We need all to write to the German Ambassador in Dublin and tell him to to keep to hell out of japan's affairs. This is more of the German guilt feeling for their terrible deeds in the last century. A crowd of commies the lot of them. Congratulations Japan. If there is a video of the executions, please release it.
Is there a Zoo big enough for this shyte?
 
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