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Germany's New Anti-Euro Party


stopdoingstuff

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http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/new-party-in-germany-goes-after-euro-skeptic-voters-a-887744.html
While the European push for centralization has only in recent years met with sporadic but easily-suppressed democratic pushback, there is now real resistance forming in the only major functional Eurozone economy, Germany.

. A new party is forming this spring, intent on abandoning European efforts to prop up the common currency. And its founders are a collection of some of the country's top economists and academics.

Named Alternative für Deutschland (Alternative for Germany), the group has a clear goal: "the dissolution of the euro in favor of national currencies or smaller currency unions." The party also demands an end to aid payments and the dismantling of the European Stability Mechanism bailout fund.
It seems that in Germany an undeniable reality- that large-scale centralization creates unknowable and unmanageable risks
and can only lead to systemic paralysis and rule by technocracy - is finally hitting home.

The groups website declares:
"The will of the people regarding (decisions relating to the euro) is never queried and is not represented in parliament. The government is depriving voters of a voice through disinformation, is pressuring constitutional organs, like parliament and the Constitutional Court, and is making far-reaching decisions in committees that have no democratic legitimacy."
Wow, what a bunch of racist, flat-earth, anti-semetic, misanthropic, conspiracy nuts.

It is obviously the work of narrow-minded little-Germaners and extremists who have never been part of mainstream society:

The most notable name on the list is Hans-Olaf Henkel, the former president of the Federation of German Industries, but it also includes such economists as Joachim Starbatty and Wilhelm Hankel, who were part of the group that challenged Greek bailout aid at Germany's Constitutional Court.

Main initiator Bernd Lucke, a professor of macro-economics from Hamburg, was a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats for 33 years before leaving the party in 2011 as a result of euro bailout efforts. "The current, so-called rescue policies are exclusively focused on short-term interests, primarily those of the banks," Lucke told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung this week.
Isn't it becoming more and more obvious just how dysfunctional and aloof this crazy Union has become? It is a welcome development to see that democracy is finally emerging in a civil society that has been thus far firmly under the thumb of the pro-Brussels fifth columnists in the mainstream parties. This whole silly project has only come this far because of the absence of democratic debate and the abuse of the incumbency of the main parties, and the results have been nothing but the horrifying decline of a once great continent. It is a beautiful thing to see resistance forming- perhaps now we can begin to take back our continent and our economy, and return the union to a smaller, more democratic, more sustainable, more easily managed, and more robust form.

So now we must ask ourselves if the democratic resistance to the EU usurpation project grows, what is the best possible alternative Europe we can hope for?
 

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As José Manuel Barroso said, "there can be no monetary union without an economic union."

For the EU to be an optimal currency area, there needs to be a singular economic policy across Europe; i.e. ultimate centralisation. No right thinking person can support this.
 
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As José Manuel Barroso said, "there can be no monetary union without an economic union."

For the EU to be an optimal currency area, there needs to be a singular economic policy across Europe; i.e. ultimate centralisation. No right thinking person can support this.
Too late. The time to stop it was at the time of monetary union. The bed has been made..
 

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I love it when nutters on here say that democracy has not functioned properly because their views don't seem to have won any elections.
 

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How can the EU not collapse? Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, who will bail them out...Germany? As a currency reflects the productivity of the underlying peoples, how could the Greeks and Germans ever have the same valuation, which they did if they had the same currency? Perhaps the EU should of not expanded as quickly as it did, or, there should of been a graduated degree of membership?
 

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New Party in Germany Goes after Euro Skeptic Voters - SPIEGEL ONLINE
While the European push for centralization has only in recent years met with sporadic but easily-suppressed democratic pushback, there is now real resistance forming in the only major functional Eurozone economy, Germany.



It seems that in Germany an undeniable reality- that large-scale centralization creates unknowable and unmanageable risks
and can only lead to systemic paralysis and rule by technocracy - is finally hitting home.

The groups website declares:


Wow, what a bunch of racist, flat-earth, anti-semetic, misanthropic, conspiracy nuts.

It is obviously the work of narrow-minded little-Germaners and extremists who have never been part of mainstream society:



Isn't it becoming more and more obvious just how dysfunctional and aloof this crazy Union has become? It is a welcome development to see that democracy is finally emerging in a civil society that has been thus far firmly under the thumb of the pro-Brussels fifth columnists in the mainstream parties. This whole silly project has only come this far because of the absence of democratic debate and the abuse of the incumbency of the main parties, and the results have been nothing but the horrifying decline of a once great continent. It is a beautiful thing to see resistance forming- perhaps now we can begin to take back our continent and our economy, and return the union to a smaller, more democratic, more sustainable, more easily managed, and more robust form.

So now we must ask ourselves if the democratic resistance to the EU usurpation project grows, what is the best possible alternative Europe we can hope for?
Thanks for the update stop - so now it's Deutschekip über alles! :p
 

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I love it when nutters on here say that democracy has not functioned properly because their views don't seem to have won any elections.
When was there an election in Ireland where Europe was the central issue? But when the people were asked for their opinion directly, it was No as often as yes- No in France, No in Holland and No here. This resulted in an end to referenda in France and Holland, and is us being asked the question until such time as we got the right answer. The EU has nothing to do with democracy any more.
 

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As McCreevy once said about Nice I: "a remarkably healthy development".
 

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When was there an election in Ireland where Europe was the central issue? But when the people were asked for their opinion directly, it was No as often as yes- No in France, No in Holland and No here. This resulted in an end to referenda in France and Holland, and is us being asked the question until such time as we got the right answer. The EU has nothing to do with democracy any more.
We're you prevented frm voting for SF in the last election, a party with a strong anti-eu sentiments?
 

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New Party in Germany Goes after Euro Skeptic Voters - SPIEGEL ONLINE
While the European push for centralization has only in recent years met with sporadic but easily-suppressed democratic pushback, there is now real resistance forming in the only major functional Eurozone economy, Germany.



It seems that in Germany an undeniable reality- that large-scale centralization creates unknowable and unmanageable risks
and can only lead to systemic paralysis and rule by technocracy - is finally hitting home.

The groups website declares:


Wow, what a bunch of racist, flat-earth, anti-semetic, misanthropic, conspiracy nuts.

It is obviously the work of narrow-minded little-Germaners and extremists who have never been part of mainstream society:



Isn't it becoming more and more obvious just how dysfunctional and aloof this crazy Union has become? It is a welcome development to see that democracy is finally emerging in a civil society that has been thus far firmly under the thumb of the pro-Brussels fifth columnists in the mainstream parties. This whole silly project has only come this far because of the absence of democratic debate and the abuse of the incumbency of the main parties, and the results have been nothing but the horrifying decline of a once great continent. It is a beautiful thing to see resistance forming- perhaps now we can begin to take back our continent and our economy, and return the union to a smaller, more democratic, more sustainable, more easily managed, and more robust form.

So now we must ask ourselves if the democratic resistance to the EU usurpation project grows, what is the best possible alternative Europe we can hope for?
Ever notice that the first thing anti-EU parties do is run for office as MEPs.

SF, UKIP, etc.
 

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We're you prevented frm voting for SF in the last election, a party with a strong anti-eu sentiments?
I was. There was no candidate in my constituency. But that's not the point- in an election we vote on numerous issues, not just one. And that's why it has gotten so far. Any time there was a vote anywhere in Europe to reject expansion and integration, the vote was either ignored or re-run until the "right" result was achieved.
 

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Ever notice that the first thing anti-EU parties do is run for office as MEPs.

SF, UKIP, etc.
A reasonable thing to do since then they can ask the electorate more directly where they stand on Europe rather than having the European issue buried beneath the other national issues.
 

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I was. There was no candidate in my constituency. But that's not the point- in an election we vote on numerous issues, not just one. And that's why it has gotten so far. Any time there was a vote anywhere in Europe to reject expansion and integration, the vote was either ignored or re-run until the "right" result was achieved.
The treaty which setup the euro - the Maastricht Treaty - was passed by the Irish people by 69% to 31%
 

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I was. There was no candidate in my constituency. But that's not the point- in an election we vote on numerous issues, not just one. And that's why it has gotten so far. Any time there was a vote anywhere in Europe to reject expansion and integration, the vote was either ignored or re-run until the "right" result was achieved.
So no one wanted to stand on an anti eu ticket and that's somehow the pro-eu party's fault? If you look at Italy and the UK, eu integration is a huge issue in their elections. Because its a huge issue for the electorate and you have various parties laying out their positions and being voted on the merits of those positions. What you don't like but need to accept is that there isn't the same level of questioning of e eu here in Ireland, hence the lack of party debate, hence the lack of a ukip equivalent.

That's not to say there mightn't be one in 2016 or that SF mightn't make it a bigger part of their platform. But parties want to get elected. If being anti eu would get them elected, people would be out there campaigning on it.
 
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