Gesture Politics: Fianna Fáil proposes recognition of Palestine

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For some time now, Fianna Fáil has been doing what Fianna Fáil does best: copying some other party’s clothes. They have a look around the dancehall, see what’s currently fashionable and then start wearing it. They have opportunistically adopted positions on issues of personal morality to minimize losing their conservative base, they introduced water charges and then changed sides because parties to the left opposed them and now they’re aping the left once again: by proposing that the government recognize the state of Palestine.

Let’s be realistic here. If Ireland were to recognise a Palestinian State tomorrow, it would not bring it into existence. The only western country to recognize the State of Palestine is uber-PC Sweden. Most Asian and African countries recognise it and it has made no difference whatsoever. In this case, it looks like a cynical quid-pro-quo to get on the UN Security Council.

Indeed such an action could be counterproductive as it will encourage Palestinians to remain outside the negotiation room. Such a move by Ireland would ultimately undermine attempts to restart peace negotiations. A lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians will not come via unilateral recognition of a Palestinian state but rather through a dialogue based on mutual respect and understanding.

Israeli PM Netanyahu has asked to meet Mahmoud Abbas directly and Abbas has refused. Israel does want peace and has made numerous gestures for peace; e.g. putting nearly the entire West Bank on the table at Camp David in 2000 (AND parts of Israel proper), leaving Gaza in 2005, announcing a 10 month settlement freeze in 2009 and over the last 2 decades releasing terrorists from jail in the hope of improving relations with the Palestinian Authority. Unfortunately, it is the Palestinian Authority who has rebuffed offers of peace talks. More recently, the Palestinian Authority has taken to inciting its own population to launch attacks on Israelis and praising as martyrs those who get killed while doing so. Have the Fianna Fáilers considered this? Presumably, they’re happy for incitement by Palestinian leaders to continue even after the recognition.

This Fianna Fáil move is jaded old gesture politics, pure and simple - a perfect example of the virtue signalling derided by the Alt-Right folks. Like similar recognitions in other states and academic boycotts in various universities around the world, it will - if passed - be forgotten about in time. The only benefits that will accrue will be a certain leftie street-cred amongst those who spearheaded the move. That too in time will be forgotten.

The question also arises as to what exactly is going to be recognized? The Palestinian territories as things stand consist of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, the former being ruled by Fatah, the latter by Hamas. These two parties have been at loggerheads for well over a decade (Fatah leader Mahmoud Abbas dare not set his foot in Gaza) and while there have been moves recently to heals divisions between the two and agreeing a plan to coordinate local elections, that agreement is already in difficulty.

A more sensible approach would involve encouraging the Palestinians back into one-on-one peace talks with the Israelis. Another more sensible approach would involve encouraging Hamas to start the process of state-building in Gaza rather than continuing a low-level war on southern Israel. A nascent Palestinian state in Gaza would form a good basis for a greater state including parts of the West Bank. However, the suspicion remains that Hamas is more interested in destroying the State of Israel than in building a State of Palestine.

What of other land disputes around the world? Does Fianna Fáil have a position on the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, a territory is split in two by a massive wall built by the occupying Moroccans who have blocked all attempts at peace? Has your average FF TD even heard of it? Proposing the recognition of a Palestinian state while ignoring the Sahrawis shows the gesture politics at the heart of this proposal and pointing that out is not whataboutery.

As it stands, this move is likely to succeed but will achieve nothing - another gesture about an issue already overloaded with gesture boycotts and gesture declarations. Fianna Fáil will be able to claim they were the ones who did this but it will have made no difference to Palestinians, no difference to traditional FF voters and those further to the left will still regard Fianna Fáil as a reactionary right wing party that goes around opportunistically copying other parties’ clothes.
 
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Good point about the Saharauis. I keep pointing that out to all those Israel haters here- but no interest from those individuals. No Jews to bash in Western Africa.
I think Ireland should recognize Palestine. It won't bring the State of Palestine into immediate existence- but it would be a further stone to the foundation of it. Any bit helps.
 

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I'm sure they will capture an element of the far left vote by this move. But it only encourages more war in the ME.
A bit of cheap FF virtue signalling garnering lefty votes that cost nothimg
 

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What of other land disputes around the world? Does Fianna Fáil have a position on the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, a territory is split in two by a massive wall built by the occupying Moroccans who have blocked all attempts at peace? Has your average FF TD even heard of it? Proposing the recognition of a Palestinian state while ignoring the Sahrawis shows the gesture politics at the heart of this proposal and pointing that out is not whataboutery.
I don't think its a fair comparison. Israel Palestine affects the entire middle East especially its immediate neighbors. It had major geo political reverberations during the Cold War.
 

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There are about 5,000,000 Palestinian refugees in the Middle East. How about we take in a million of them as a gesture of solidarity?
 

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I don't think its a fair comparison. Israel Palestine affects the entire middle East especially its immediate neighbors. It had major geo political reverberations during the Cold War.
OK then, let's recognise Kurdistan?
 

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There are about 5,000,000 Palestinian refugees in the Middle East. How about we take in a million of them as a gesture of solidarity?
Ask the Egyptians to give them the Sinai Peninsula as room for a new state. Let us see how serious the Arab brothers really are about helping their own folks.
 

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I don't think its a fair comparison. Israel Palestine affects the entire middle East especially its immediate neighbors. It had major geo political reverberations during the Cold War.
But only because Arabs choose to make it so
Arabs are killing each other by thousands across the ME and nobody cares.
 

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But only because Arabs choose to make it so
Arabs are killing each other by thousands across the ME and nobody cares.
I agree. A perfectly good example was Aleppo. Where Russia bombed and Killed Sunni Muslim civilians as the behest of their Shia allies Assad and Iran. Had the US or Israel been bombing Aleppo the left in Ireland would be on the streets of Dublin as well as across Europes Capitals. So too would be the so called Arab Street.
 

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Ask the Egyptians to give them the Sinai Peninsula as room for a new state. Let us see how serious the Arab brothers really are about helping their own folks.
During the 50's the Palestinian population could not leave the strip. Egypt annexed the Gaza strip in the 60's. So much for Arab Brotherhood.
 

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Thats what they just did d1ckhead
Read the OP
Well it doesnt really matter ************************************************ because its not going to make a blind bit of difference in any real sense it still wont be given statehood that power lies with the UN which will likely be vetoed by the USA.
 
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During the 50's the Palestinian population could not leave the strip. Egypt annexed the Gaza strip in the 60's. So much for Arab Brotherhood.
They are mostly Egyptian in Gaza anyway
They probably wouldn't want to give a section of their diaspora their own breakaway country - makes sense
 

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Ireland should recognise Palestine 28 years after its formation like they did with Israel.
 

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Let’s be realistic here.
You are a Hasbara troll and so your posts are not worth the bandwidth they use up

Good point about the .
Hasbara no 2

As off the wall as the AAA/PBP cults ]
They are not cults. They are opportunists. There has always been a progressive wing in Fianna Fail around some of the Andrews clan for example

I'm sure they will capture an element of the far left vote by this move.
No they won't. You just hate Arabs and support sectarianism and thus your rage

But only because Arabs choose to make it so
Arabs are killing each other by thousands across the ME and nobody cares.
Again, uuntrue. Most of the violence today bvcan be traced to NATO machinations but you have bought their line, either willingly or as part of your job description

I agree. A perfectly good example was Aleppo. Where Russia bombed and Killed Sunni Muslim civilians as the behest of their Shia allies Assad and Iran. Had the US or Israel been bombing Aleppo the left in Ireland would be on the streets of Dublin as well as across Europes Capitals. So too would be the so called Arab Street.
Russia saved Aleppo and exposed a swarm of NATO lies. They even captured American and Israeli personnel who were guiding the sectarians
 


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