Gibney film names Loyalist suspects in Loughinisland massacre

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Of course our traitorous politicians hate the innocent murdered and favour their killers.

Because of the above implication Harris should never have been hired to run the Irish police service.

He should be sacked as his incompetence to his duties in NI will eventually surface in his performance down here.

Why were people so stupid to hire him - another kick in the rear end from our sick-minded politicians.
Weren’t they going to celebrate the RIC / DMP / Black and Tans ?
 


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The problem with all these special deals by the state (whichever) is that we ODCs have no way of knowing how many deals were done, why, and with who.

So the Loughinisland decision will enrage half of us, just like the guy who got a free pass for bombing the horses in hyde park from tony blair will enrage the other half.

There are no winners in wars, that's an old lesson. The dead were mostly unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 

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The problem with all these special deals by the state (whichever) is that we ODCs have no way of knowing how many deals were done, why, and with who.

So the Loughinisland decision will enrage half of us, just like the guy who got a free pass for bombing the horses in hyde park from tony blair will enrage the other half.

There are no winners in wars, that's an old lesson. The dead were mostly unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And inconsistent (real or perceived) application of justice won’t help anyone. It does feel like a blanket amnesty for all pre 1998 crimes is the only way to at least provide knowledge to the families of the deceased, particularly as time runs out and the perpetrators and relatives of the victims start dying off.
 

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And inconsistent (real or perceived) application of justice won’t help anyone. It does feel like a blanket amnesty for all pre 1998 crimes is the only way to at least provide knowledge to the families of the deceased, particularly as time runs out and the perpetrators and relatives of the victims start dying off.

There's a total mismatch with a guy setting off a car bomb to get headlines and high fives from his mates. The dead and injured are a number on a page, he doesn't have any connection to them as people.

For the bereaved, the dead are their past and future.

Loughinisland gets a tv slot, and rightly so, but the 400 catholics killed by "republicans" in the troubles are not sexy enough these times to sell tv ads.
 

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There's a total mismatch with a guy setting off a car bomb to get headlines and high fives from his mates. The dead and injured are a number on a page, he doesn't have any connection to them as people.

For the bereaved, the dead are their past and future.

Loughinisland gets a tv slot, and rightly so, but the 400 catholics killed by "republicans" in the troubles are not sexy enough these times to sell tv ads.
Loughinisland gets a TV slot because the police refuse to do their job and investigate mass murder.

If you can’t see why that might be a story worth telling, then there’s little hope for you.

If you want to make a documentary about catholics killed by ”republicans“ off you go, there’s nobody stopping you.
 

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Dead is dead. If you want to expand amnesty to cover police and govt officials then sure, may be useful.

But it’s a minimum of 20 years removed from all these crimes. The perpetrators are dying off, the families of the victims are dying off. For whatever reason, we’re not seeing a glut of successful prosecutions of any historic killings.

So the options seem to be to continue doing the same thing and not getting results, spend a huge amount of cash and time to investigate and prosecute difficult to prove cases on all sides or grant an amnesty that may see the families get some certainty as to what happened.

I’d defer to the opinion of the majority of family organisations.
 

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A blanket amnesty only serves to cover up the role of the British State in the conflict.

How about amnesty only if you fully disclose your role and that of others you know about privately, at first.

After a certain period, the disclosures are made public and anyone who doesn’t disclose their role fully is prosecuted; to encourage full and frank disclosure.
 

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The problem with all these special deals by the state (whichever) is that we ODCs have no way of knowing how many deals were done, why, and with who.

So the Loughinisland decision will enrage half of us, just like the guy who got a free pass for bombing the horses in hyde park from tony blair will enrage the other half.

There are no winners in wars, that's an old lesson. The dead were mostly unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Do you have a link or name?
 

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Loughinisland gets a TV slot because the police refuse to do their job and investigate mass murder.

If you can’t see why that might be a story worth telling, then there’s little hope for you.

If you want to make a documentary about catholics killed by ”republicans“ off you go, there’s nobody stopping you.

Wait a mo, I said - "Loughinisland gets a tv slot, and rightly so,"

In plain language, I did think it was a story worth telling. As the man says, engage brain before using tongue.
 

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Wait a mo, I said - "Loughinisland gets a tv slot, and rightly so,"

In plain language, I did think it was a story worth telling. As the man says, engage brain before using tongue.
You then compared Loughinisland with "the 400 catholics killed by "republicans" in the troubles are not sexy enough these times to sell tv ads "

If you are aware of circumstances where in the aftermath of a mass murder of "catholics killed by "republicans" in the troubles" the police promised to leave no stone unturned and then ignored and destroyed physical evidence, were made aware of who the murderers were within weeks of the murders, ignored all of that witness evidence and point blank refused to do their job where the mass murder wasn't investigated at all, then let us know about it.

The murders at Loughinisland aren't the story. The refusal of the police to investigate murder and charge known individuals with sectarian mass murder offences is the story.

You were saying something about engaging brain before using tongue?
 

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The murders at Loughinisland aren't the story. The refusal of the police to investigate murder and charge known individuals with sectarian mass murder offences is the story.

You were saying something about engaging brain before using tongue?

II've only read about both of the hard crews in the 6 counties, maybe you know more about all that close up.

But we are left also with over 10% of the dead in the troubles were catholics killed by "republicans". Who are now arguing that they took up arms to protect and vindicate the rights of catholics.

Of course the cops should have investigated more, but often came up against a wall of silence. This is not unique to NI, it's the same in america with cops investigating "black on black" killings.

 

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Some of the deep state stuff will probably never be published. At this stage, I’d prefer to know as much as possible about what happened than worry about prosecuting people who were often fairly junior in the scheme of things. Amnesty offers the hope of more information for bereaved families and might uncover evidence the state still wouldn’t want to see in the open. We have the broad outlines of what went on but it’s regrettable to see witnesses dying off without testifying. I appreciate that those who lost close relatives may have a very different opinion on prosecution.
 

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II've only read about both of the hard crews in the 6 counties, maybe you know more about all that close up.

But we are left also with over 10% of the dead in the troubles were catholics killed by "republicans". Who are now arguing that they took up arms to protect and vindicate the rights of catholics.

Of course the cops should have investigated more, but often came up against a wall of silence. This is not unique to NI, it's the same in america with cops investigating "black on black" killings.

Oh stop. Just stop.

You’re making a fool of yourself now.

In the aftermath of the Loughinisland massacre, the cops destroyed the getaway car, which had been reported to them abandoned in a field.

Dk I have to explain what a forensic bonanza that is?

‘Wall of silence’ my hole. The cops were given the name of the main gunman by his wife but it’s okay, they made him promise not to do it again and that was the end of the investigation.

So spare me your ‘National Review’ crap about ‘black on black’ violence and stop trying to derail this conversation with gibberish.
 

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Loughinisland gets a TV slot because the police refuse to do their job and investigate mass murder.

If you can’t see why that might be a story worth telling, then there’s little hope for you.

If you want to make a documentary about catholics killed by ”republicans“ off you go, there’s nobody stopping you.


Wasting your time in attempts to educate McT and his ilk, reading a book at the moment and came across a case of a Catholic executed by Republicans...........apparently it turned out he was responsible for the deaths of at least 20 people through his touting.

Shoot to kill by the Brits like collusion.......was no illusion.
 

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The various apparatus of British Intelligence,PSNI,and past UDR/RUC are intent on coming to a settlement on the arrest of Trevor Birney and Barry McCaffrey after they named Loyalist terrorists in their award winning documentary 'No Stone Unturned'

Computer equipment, files, phones, cameras and notebooks were all seized during an operation undertaken by detectives from Durham Constabulary, supported by PSNI officers.

The case was connected to the No Stone Unturned documentary, which examined the Royal Ulster Constabulary's handling of the loyalist murders of six Catholic men at Loughinisland, Co Down in June 1994 as they watched an Ireland match during the World Cup.

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Landmark decision for press freedom today as Belfast High Court rules against the police in ‘No Stone Unturned’ case.
Meanwhile, 26 years on, no one has been brought to justice for the loyalist murders of six Catholic men at Loughinisland, Co Down in June 1994.

 

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Landmark decision for press freedom today as Belfast High Court rules against the police in ‘No Stone Unturned’ case.
Meanwhile, 26 years on, no one has been brought to justice for the loyalist murders of six Catholic men at Loughinisland, Co Down in June 1994.

Remind me again of the differences between the RUC and the PSNI, will you?
 

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Those high up and involved in the collusion seemed more bothered in discrediting the journalists and the truth regarding the murders.
In spite of overwhelming evidence of Loyalist/British collusion yet again in the murders of innocent catholics....just two people have been arrested......the two journalists for exposing the collusion.
 

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Those high up and involved in the collusion seemed more bothered in discrediting the journalists and the truth regarding the murders.
In spite of overwhelming evidence of Loyalist/British collusion yet again in the murders of innocent catholics....just two people have been arrested......the two journalists for exposing the collusion.
Never forget that FF and FG KNEW all about what the Brits and their hirelings were up to and STILL gave the hated RUC full co-operation and even handed people over to them.
 

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Never forget that FF and FG KNEW all about what the Brits and their hirelings were up to and STILL gave the hated RUC full co-operation and even handed people over to them.
And handed over the bomb debris evidence of the Dublin/Monaghan Bombings of 1974.

They were traitors to Ireland and the Irish cause.
 


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