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Gilmore gets a memory jog about his past


Kerrygold

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Eamon Gilmore's former comrade and fellow UCG student Padraig Mannion helps him remember exactly what party he joined.

The Irish Times - Letters

I'm sure Mr. Gilmore will thank him for his kindly reminder!
 


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Ah "The Workers Party", still good for somthing at least. lol. :D
 

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You know, this really is a non story, which Gilmore should not hide, as that makes it a story.

Joining a slightly "dodgy" or "radical" group in you youth almost 40 years ago... FFS,

Irrelevant unless he denies / disputes it...
 

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I dont see the big deal. Aren't these all left wing parties in the end of the day? Dont we all know Eamons political persuasions? Does this "revalation" change anything?

All rhetorical questions.
 

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You know, this really is a non story, which Gilmore should not hide, as that makes it a story.

Joining a slightly "dodgy" or "radical" group in you youth almost 40 years ago... FFS,

Irrelevant unless he denies / disputes it...
It would be a non story if he had been honest about it. Saying he couldn't remember if it was the Officials or the Sinn Féin-The Workers Party just isn't believable.

Michael Clifford's comparison with Bertie seems apt.
 

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got to love the jibe about deRossa - the bitterness remains !
 

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You know, this really is a non story, which Gilmore should not hide, as that makes it a story.

Joining a slightly "dodgy" or "radical" group in you youth almost 40 years ago... FFS,

Irrelevant unless he denies / disputes it...
Does the same apply to Pope Nazi? :p
 

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You know, this really is a non story, which Gilmore should not hide, as that makes it a story.

Joining a slightly "dodgy" or "radical" group in you youth almost 40 years ago... FFS,

Irrelevant unless he denies / disputes it...
Except for the fact that Official Sinn Fein were allied to the thoroughly evil "Official IRA" who according to the Sutton database of murders at the University of Ulster's CAIN project was responsible for 52 killings during the Troubles. Twenty-three of its victims were civilians, 17 were members of the British security forces, 11 were republican paramilitaries (including three of its own members), and one was a loyalist paramilitary.

CAIN: Sutton Index of Deaths - crosstabulations
 

Kerrygold

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You know, this really is a non story, which Gilmore should not hide, as that makes it a story.

Joining a slightly "dodgy" or "radical" group in you youth almost 40 years ago... FFS,

Irrelevant unless he denies / disputes it...
Slightly dodgy?
 

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Gilmore became a believing totalitarian communist at a time when Soviet Russia had nuclear missiles pointing at the major world capitals threatening us all with nuclear holocaust and when millions toiled in slavery.

Max Mosely, the son of the infamous British fascist leader Oswald Mosely can never live down who his father was and if a kid went to school wearing a Nazi armband he would be sent home. A Prince can't jokingly wear a Nazi uniform to a fancy dress party even though his great grand father was King of Britain during the Second World War. An elderly Pope who was a boy soldier conscripted into the Nazi armed forces and has committed his life to piety and Christ is heckled as if he is Darth Vader.

However Gilmore can move on as if his despicable youth when he conspired to enslave the Irish people under the Soviet yoke never happened, CCCP t-shirts are worn by students in universities and protesters are permitted to march in this country waving hammer and sickle flags?

Unquestionably National Socialism and fascism in all it's forms were evil and anyone associated with who is alive today must be reviled.

However Gilmore in Ireland - who was surely a foot soldier of Goulding and Mac Giolla who took orders staight from the Soviet embassy- and worse, the former communist leaders who transformed themselves into democrats in Eastern Europe and a certain KGB spy who became President of Russia never have to face the music. Nobody has ever been tried in a criminal court for the barbarism committed in the gulags which continued to operate right up until the fall of communism.

The murderer and sadistic sociopath Che Guevera was lionized in a movie about his abominable life last year and the movie was cheered by the clapping seals.

Why do hardline lefties get a free pass?
 
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Kerrygold

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Gilmore became a believing totalitarian communist at a time when Soviet Russia had nuclear missiles pointing at the major world capitals threatening us all with nuclear holocaust and when millions toiled in slavery.

Max Mosely, the son of the infamous British fascist leader Oswald Mosely can never live it down and if a kid went to school wearing a Nazi armband he would be sent home.

However Gilmore can move on as if despicable youth never happened, CCCP t-shirts are worn by students in universities and protesters are permitted to march in this country waving hammer and sickle flags?

Unquestionably National Socialism and fascism in all it's forms were evil and anyone associated with who is alive today must be reviled.

However Gilmore in Ireland and worse - form communist leaders who transformed themselves in democrats in Eastern Europe and a certain KGB spy who became President of Russia never have to face the music.
The murderer and sadistic sociopath Che Guevera was lionized in a movie about his abominable life last year.

Why do hardline lefties get a free pass?
:roll:
 

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So......on the eve of what at this stage seems like a historic breakthrough by the Labour Party, the knifes are out by their opponents.

Faced with the prospect of a significant shake-up of the composition of the next Dail, the number of unsheated weapons can be expectd to grow. Whether any telling blows will be landed remains to be seen. I'm sure Eamon Gilmore and his Labour colleagues have broad enough shoulders to withstand any onslaught.

Eamon Gilmore's political journey to his current status as leader of the Labour Party has been a long one. Throughout he seems to have shown political flexibility in his thinking and has not remain intransigent or fixed in his early political thinking. It is not necessarily a virtue to remain immobile in the development of one's political thinking.

Now that Labour and social democrat thinking is rightly taking its place in the continuum of Irish politics, it is only to be expected that Eamon Gilmore and his colleagues can expect greater antagonism from the Right, extreme Left and others.

It is to be hoped that they have the cajones to resist such attacks.
 

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Well lads and ladett's this is a farce of a story, I'm a floating voter, we all did what we thought was right when we were younger, sure Charlie and his mates were up and tried for gun running and we all voted for him..

as another poster pointed out it was 40 years ago, I was a very young man back then and I'd hate to think of all the things I got up to then.... It's a cheap shot at our next Taoiseacht...
 

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Eamon Gilmore's former comrade and fellow UCG student Padraig Mannion helps him remember exactly what party he joined.

The Irish Times - Letters

I'm sure Mr. Gilmore will thank him for his kindly reminder!
Read that letter this morning, absolutely brilliant.
 

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So......on the eve of what at this stage seems like a historic breakthrough by the Labour Party, the knifes are out by their opponents.

Faced with the prospect of a significant shake-up of the composition of the next Dail, the number of unsheated weapons can be expectd to grow. Whether any telling blows will be landed remains to be seen. I'm sure Eamon Gilmore and his Labour colleagues have broad enough shoulders to withstand any onslaught.

Eamon Gilmore's political journey to his current status as leader of the Labour Party has been a long one. Throughout he seems to have shown political flexibility in his thinking and has not remain intransigent or fixed in his early political thinking. It is not necessarily a virtue to remain immobile in the development of one's political thinking.

Now that Labour and social democrat thinking is rightly taking its place in the continuum of Irish politics, it is only to be expected that Eamon Gilmore and his colleagues can expect greater antagonism from the Right, extreme Left and others.

It is to be hoped that they have the cajones to resist such attacks.
So if Gilmore's past is something he's so proud of, why did he fudge it so much on Marian Finucane?
 

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Well lads and ladett's this is a farce of a story, I'm a floating voter, we all did what we thought was right when we were younger, sure Charlie and his mates were up and tried for gun running and we all voted for him..

as another poster pointed out it was 40 years ago, I was a very young man back then and I'd hate to think of all the things I got up to then.... It's a cheap shot at our next Taoiseacht...
Which is exactly what Gilmore should say.

But instead, he denies, fudges, displays memory lapse, etc - exactly what Bertie did when asked simple questions.

Gilmore made this a story that the media and some opponents will chase and dig around by his answers - or lack of answers, to be precise - to Marian Finucane.

He turned this into an issue when it was a non-issue.

The problem he faces now is what the digging may turn up that he has 'forgotten about' or 'can't recall'.

Imagine if a photo of young Eamon with Cathal Goulding or Seamus Costello turned up a week before polling day - how many older, middle class voters would that turn off?

Or younger voters when the media points out exactly who these two chaps were?
 

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