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Gilmore has a spine afterall!


Honecker

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Gilmore has spoke out publicly against British and French plans to arm the "rebels" in Syria. Increasing evidence of rebels committing atrocities while manufacturing lies about government atrocities (The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is not a credible organisation) are becoming clearer everyday. The use of jihadist suicide bombers against civilian targets is particularly worrying.

Is Gilmore influenced by his youth in the Workers' Party when they were very critical of the West arming Islamist rebels in Afghanistan? Or maybe Gilmore is trying to curry favour with the Germans. The Germans have also been critical of plans to arm the rebels who have connections to Islamist extremists in Saudi Arabia and of course certain rebel militias are loyal to Al Queada.

Is Gilmore correct to take this position? I think he's right and Ireland should not assist those who will be tomorrow's terrorists.

Gilmore warns against arming Syrian rebels - RTÉ News
 

jmcc

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Perhaps Gilmore just doesn't like rebels?
 

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In the 1970s there was a small Islamic party in Egypt that was regarded as an oddity. After Afghanistan Islamic fundamentalism has spread armed, trained and funded by the USA/UK.
 

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It's easy to have a spine about something you have no influence over. The Syrian rebels are probable quaking in their boots, now that Eamonn has spoken!!
 

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Eamo is desperate to reclaim the high ground, without actually doing anything to endanger his cushion.
Playing the high-flying international politician with gravitas and with more than a little gravy allows him to be that great man.
 

rapparree

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gilmore is just toeing the EU line. only the french and the british want to actively arm them
 

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One statement, which is being said by many anyway, does not a spine make....

Gilmore will be lashing out statements over the next few weeks to make it look like he's doing something.

Why doesn't he offer to broker a deal with NK.... head off on the next flight. I'm sure most of his party would back him. :)
 

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Massive U turn by Gimmemore.
 

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Perhaps it is a vestige of his Workers Party days?

Old Stalinists like yourself still harbour a fondness for the murderous Assads becasue they were clients of the Soviet Union. And overlook the fact that the Assads murdered thousands of Syrian Communists who were surplus to Moscow's cynical requirements in the 70s.
 

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Gilmore has spoke out publicly against British and French plans to arm the "rebels" in Syria. Increasing evidence of rebels committing atrocities while manufacturing lies about government atrocities (The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is not a credible organisation) are becoming clearer everyday. The use of jihadist suicide bombers against civilian targets is particularly worrying.

Is Gilmore influenced by his youth in the Workers' Party when they were very critical of the West arming Islamist rebels in Afghanistan? Or maybe Gilmore is trying to curry favour with the Germans. The Germans have also been critical of plans to arm the rebels who have connections to Islamist extremists in Saudi Arabia and of course certain rebel militias are loyal to Al Queada.

Is Gilmore correct to take this position? I think he's right and Ireland should not assist those who will be tomorrow's terrorists.

Gilmore warns against arming Syrian rebels - RTÉ News
Gilmore is supportive of BRIC or Brazil, Russia, India and China who are heavily investing in Ireland.

It is believed that a number of Russian and Chinese tycoons are buying up property across the country.

RUSSIAN billionairess Elena Baturina is considering buying more Irish hotels following her high-profile refit of Dublin's Morrison Hotel.

Ms Baturina (50) is reported to have earmarked €200m of her €1.1bn fortune to develop 14 hotels in Europe in the next two years.

Her business team is believed to be taking an interest in the upcoming sale of a number of hotels in the capital, including the NAMA-controlled Trinity Capital hotel, the Clarion IFSC and the Clarion Airport hotels in Dublin.
http://www.herald.ie/news/now-russian-tycoon-elena-eyes-up-more-of-our-hotels-29152051.html

Have a look at this segment of Gilmore's speech announcing scholarships for BRIC students in Ireland:

The Leader of the Labour Party, Eamon Gilmore TD has announced plans for the establishment of a new BRIC Scholarship programme to bring talented young people from the emerging economies to study in Ireland. Speaking at the Dublin Web Summit (Thursday morning) Deputy Gilmore said that the BRIC Scholarship will be modelled on similar programmes, such as the Mitchell Scholarship or the Rhodes Scholarship. "It will focus, not just on those with academic ability, but on people who have demonstrated that they will be among the next generation of leaders in business, the arts, or politics in their home countries. Our intention is that these scholars will, over a period of time, develop a bond between Ireland and their home countries. It is one example of the shift in mind set that we need to make".
Gilmore announces scholarship for students from emerging countries | Eamon Gilmore TD | The Labour Party

If the BRIC Scholarship is modelled on the Mitchell and Rhodes Scholarships it seeks to be a challenge to it.

The most well known Rhodes Scholar is of course former President Bill Clinton.

The Worker's Party of which Gilmore, Rabitte et al once were members, was a pro-Soviet Party and if World War 3 had ended in a Soviet victory in Western Europe, Gilmore and co. would have become part of the Polituro in Ireland.

The most vocal opponents of the war in Iraq in 2003 were the Labour Party including current the current President of Ireland and it was China and Russia who were the most obvious opponents of the conflict.
More recently President Higgins praised Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, another opponent of the U.S.

Gilmore is dangerously out of step with Obama's policy to arm insurgents to fight the Syrian regime. The American strategy is clearly to outsource the heavy lifting to the Syrians themselves rather than send American troops while he is preoccupied with Iran, Afghanistan and Korea.

Fine Gael is enthusiastically Anglo-American as are Irish business and Irish media who are giving Labour an almighty pasting at the moment.

The traditional favorites of the Democrats is not the Irish Labour Party but Fianna Fáil and to a lesser extent Sinn Féin.

Gilmore and his Workers Party clique in the Labour Party are well on the way to extinction.

Rabbitte is an honourary 3rd Degree Black Belt by the Republic of Ireland Taekwon-Do Association.

Another leading Irish Taekwon-Do martial artist is Robert Howard who attended the Taekwon-Do World Championships in Pyongyang, North Korea.

A 72-year-old Irishman has become the first European inducted into a prestigious martial arts hall of fame in communist North Korea.

Pensioner Robert Howard, now a grandmaster, travelled to Pyongyang to be awarded the ninth degree black belt in taekwon-do.
I don't know what Howard's backround is but clearly there is a dodgy link between the Irish Taekwondo community of whom Rabbitte is a member and the regime in North Korea.

Of course the link between the Workers Party and North Korea does not end there.

Seán Garland the veteran of the IRA Border Campaign of the 1950s and the man who proposed the name change of The Workers' Party has been fighting extradition to answer charges in the US for a conspiracy to launder North Korean counterfeit dollar bills.

North Korean in common with Syria is also a client of the Russians and China.
 
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Honecker

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Perhaps it is a vestige of his Workers Party days?

Old Stalinists like yourself still harbour a fondness for the murderous Assads becasue they were clients of the Soviet Union. And overlook the fact that the Assads murdered thousands of Syrian Communists who were surplus to Moscow's cynical requirements in the 70s.
I suppose provo bead rattlers will empathise with their fellow religious extremists in Syria. Executing people because they are not the same religion or setting off car bombs in public places must seem pretty normal for the provisionals.
 

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Gilmore has spoke out publicly against British and French plans to arm the "rebels" in Syria. Increasing evidence of rebels committing atrocities while manufacturing lies about government atrocities (The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is not a credible organisation) are becoming clearer everyday. The use of jihadist suicide bombers against civilian targets is particularly worrying.

Is Gilmore influenced by his youth in the Workers' Party when they were very critical of the West arming Islamist rebels in Afghanistan? Or maybe Gilmore is trying to curry favour with the Germans. The Germans have also been critical of plans to arm the rebels who have connections to Islamist extremists in Saudi Arabia and of course certain rebel militias are loyal to Al Queada.

Is Gilmore correct to take this position? I think he's right and Ireland should not assist those who will be tomorrow's terrorists.

Gilmore warns against arming Syrian rebels - RTÉ News
"Influenced by his youth in the Workers' Party" ! Dont be codding yourself! This man is only influenced by the almighty dollar. He has no political philosophy and has proved that throughout his career and his current term in Government.
 

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"Influenced by his youth in the Workers' Party" ! Dont be codding yourself! This man is only influenced by the almighty dollar. He has no political philosophy and has proved that throughout his career and his current term in Government.
Maybe. But unlike the politicians who have always been on the right he isn't influenced by Cold War Triumphalism ie The idea That Reagan and Thatcher won the Cold War through huge military spending and funding anti-communist groups all over the world. The reality is the USSR collapsed from the inside due to Gorbachev's awful leadership and defeatism. Had Yuri Andropov lived another 10 years the USSR would still exist today. The Neo-Con school of triumphalism and reliance on military force to change the world has had disastrous consequences especially in Iraq.
 

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It's easy to have a spine about something you have no influence over. The Syrian rebels are probable quaking in their boots, now that Eamonn has spoken!!
Exactly, This is a missive from Eamonn that has no weight/relevance etc...

reminds me of the "right to have babies" scene in the Life of Brian.
 

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Ah, leave our Minister for Foreign Affairs alone. Don't ye know he is very important and strides Colossus-like across the world stage. He is always sparing and careful in what he says and his statements carry great weight among world leaders. Ireland is extremely fortunate to have such a great statesman representing us. 'doffs cap'
 

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What goes down in Syria, will have no significant effect on Ireland. Gilmore knows this, which is why he becomes more outspoken than normal.
 

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All I can see coming is a mass of hardline Islamist countries being started up by the West.

What are we making enemies for the future for?
 

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What goes down in Syria, will have no significant effect on Ireland. Gilmore knows this, which is why he becomes more outspoken than normal.
He speaks on Syria a lot for some reason. think he called on Assad to stand down last year when it looked like the rebels would win quickly. Given that the rebels have been able to hold out for a while against supposedly heavy artillery, the rebels getting armed from out side is not a new factor. would guess gilmore said this to inject a little bit of balance in to his over all portfolio of statements on the matter from a supposedly neutral state.
 
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