Gilmore says Lenihan "Out of his Depth" as Finance Minister

yehbut_nobut

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Brian Lenihan is indeed an intelligent man, and he may have had a contribution to make in the Department of Justice, but he is utterly out of his depth in the Department of Finance. And, with respect, this is no time for learning on the job.
Let's be clear about it, the names behind Ireland’s economic woes are not Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. They are Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen
Labour is obviously ratcheting up the pressure. Will FG do the same?

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Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
 

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I always assumed he was put into finance to be out of his depth. Threat neutralisation and so on. It was there or health and health would have seemed like a demotion.
 

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Edo said:
Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
The discussion is about the ineptitude of Lenihan not what Gilmore might do. But then, that's the stand FF hack retort. All that's needed now is the entry of the gladiator, Tonys to enhance the proceedings.
 

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Time for Lenihan to step down and replace him with... Calamity Coughlin!! I actually wouldn't be suprised.
 

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greengoose said:
Edo said:
Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
The discussion is about the ineptitude of Lenihan not what Gilmore might do. But then, that's the stand FF hack retort. All that's needed now is the entry of the gladiator, Tonys to enhance the proceedings.
All Im saying Greengoose is that if you are going to attack somebody - lets be honest - a sitting duck here - whats the point unless you have an alternative to offer the electorate.

That is currently Labours' and to a slightly lesser degree FG's main problem at the moment - and it will be reflected in the polls too.

Look at the conservatives in the UK - they are able to attack and give a positive alternative of what they would do at the same time - and its working for them bigtime.

BTW - Im not associated with FF or the current gov in any shape or form.
 

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Its a cute soundbite from Gilmore, but little else, we will know with the budget whether Lenihen is up to the job and not before, Labour would be better laying out their own proposals
 

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And this is news............why, exactly? Lenihan was first described as being "out of his depth" in the aftermath of the disastrous ESRI predictions back in July, by Enda Kenny.

Gilmore must be getting slightly p*ssed off at this stage. Labour's ratings have been stuck at circa 13% since he took over with barely an oscillation in either direction, while FF and FG have varied wildly, up and down. That must be a very frustrating position to be in. It's Rabbitte all over again
 

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mccafferty cat said:
And this is news............why, exactly? Lenihan was first described as being "out of his depth" in the aftermath of the disastrous ESRI predictions back in July, by Enda Kenny.

Gilmore must be getting slightly p*ssed off at this stage. Labour's ratings have been stuck at circa 13% since he took over with barely an oscillation in either direction, while FF and FG have varied wildly, up and down. That must be a very frustrating position to be in. It's Rabbitte all over again
True. Labour would be better off going for a softer target. FG should allow Labour a free run at Coughlan in return for being allowed unfettered access to Cowen and Lenihan. Would get a couple of points in the polls off that, while FG will gain symbiotically.
 

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Edo said:
Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
Joan Burton is well able to speak on Finance matters and has very much improved her presentation.
 

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droghedasouth said:
Edo said:
Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
Joan Burton is well able to speak on Finance matters and has very much improved her presentation.
True but Richard is a class above her (and almost everyone else in the Dail) IMHO.
 

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droghedasouth said:
Edo said:
Of course - as an alternative Labour would propose doing........................??????????????????

Soundbite - and nobody will play the slightest attention.


Hope that "Think in" comes up with something - given Gilmore's threadbare peformance on Primetime last week when Miriam asked him what he would do if he were given the reins of power tomorrow - something like rabbit staring at the headlights comes to mind.

At least FG have Richard Bruton who has made some effort to put ideas down on paper and is able to clearly articulate it in conversation

Labour are still clearly all at sea and there is no sign of a harbour yet
Joan Burton is well able to speak on Finance matters and has very much improved her presentation.
you mean her physical appearance?!
 

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Lenihan was doimg very well in justice but its obvious hes no idea about finance.

Bringing the budget forward is great optics for the media but doesnt make any difference to the huge deficit.

I havent heard 1 singlesuggestion from him how to get the country moving again. I know this is farfetched but a Tallaght strategy
with Richard bruton as minister for finance would be a positive move.

Im now off to watch hell freezing over !!!
 

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mccafferty cat said:
Gilmore must be getting slightly p*ssed off at this stage. Labour's ratings have been stuck at circa 13% since he took over with barely an oscillation in either direction, while FF and FG have varied wildly, up and down. That must be a very frustrating position to be in. It's Rabbitte all over again
What do Labour actually stand for? What's the point of Labour?

I don't think I've ever seen a compelling reason to consider voting for them. They just come across as indecisive directionless wafflers without a clue. And Joan Burton on Finance issues is shockingly clueless.
 

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I just heard on the news that Eamon Gilmore and the Labour party have prepared a document containing long term strategies to tackle the current downturn. Let's see whether this document is a good one, and if it is, whether Zanu FF can swallow their pride and admit that there are more decent strategies in this document than they would have ever thought of.

In regards to Gilmore's comment, he's spot on, we all know that not just Lenihan, but the entire Zanu FF party have failed to tackle the recession so far.
 

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Any long term strategy must include ways of stimulating economic activity since economic activity is taxed and nothing else...failure to stimulate economic activity and get people spending will mean failure to resolve the problems.

I hope they don't go down the route of wasting all our money on more roads and concrete as it's pointless investing in these when you have to borrow money to do it and pay back massive interest later and when no-one has any jobs to go to anyways. Borrowing massive amounts of money to spend on projects such as roads only digs a deeper hole in the government finances of the country as the loans will become more and more difficult to pay off with increasing interest.

Maintaining competiteness and restoring consumer confidence are two solutions needed.

One of the reasons why we are in a downturn, is because we have lost our low cost economy basis and many companies have closed up shop and moved abroad. We need to keep the cost base low for companies otherwise they will leave and bring tens of thousands of jobs with them, while putting huge strain on our social welfare system.

I also think Leo Varadker had a point when he said we need to send home the 16% foreign nationals on the live register. But I don't agree with paying them to leave since that in turn would merely attract spongers from all over Europe who want the same deal for not working. The EU has really messed up our ability to regulate our labour market and keep Irish people in jobs and off the dole, while foreign nationals don't even spend a lot of their income here but repatriate it. Fair enough when there are vacancies but with so many Irish out of work, it becomes farcical.

The government needs a tough and even unpopular approach to digging us out of the hole and part of that will be to tell the spongers to go home and the anti-racist lobby to clam it.
 

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yehbut_nobut said:
Two quotes:

Brian Lenihan is indeed an intelligent man, and he may have had a contribution to make in the Department of Justice, but he is utterly out of his depth in the Department of Finance. And, with respect, this is no time for learning on the job.
[quote:l1t9f6lk]Let's be clear about it, the names behind Ireland’s economic woes are not Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac. They are Bertie Ahern and Brian Cowen
Labour is obviously ratcheting up the pressure. Will FG do the same?

Full story[/quote:l1t9f6lk]

At least Bruton has some ideas... Gilmore's comments smack of someone who has only 2 years experience as a Junior Minister for the Marine. He's clearly out of his depth as leader of a national political party, just like his predecessor!
 

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Sidewinder said:
mccafferty cat said:
Gilmore must be getting slightly p*ssed off at this stage. Labour's ratings have been stuck at circa 13% since he took over with barely an oscillation in either direction, while FF and FG have varied wildly, up and down. That must be a very frustrating position to be in. It's Rabbitte all over again
What do Labour actually stand for? What's the point of Labour?

I don't think I've ever seen a compelling reason to consider voting for them. They just come across as indecisive directionless wafflers without a clue. And Joan Burton on Finance issues is shockingly clueless.
As yes at least FF stand for corruption and cute hoorism and how's yer father politics...now those are something to be proud of...
 

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Grant Dole said:
Let's see whether this document is a good one, and if it is, whether Zanu FF can swallow their pride and admit that there are more decent strategies in this document than they would have ever thought of.
We've been here before. And because FF lack any ideas they will copy either FG or Labour.
 


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