Gilmore supports Water Charges!!

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According to today's Irish Times Eamon Gilmore favours Water Charges!!

He's a long way from his old days of fighting elections on the slogan of "NO SERVICE CHARGES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is manna from heaven for the Shinners!!!
 


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According to today's Irish Times Eamon Gilmore favours Water Charges!!

He's a long way from his old days of fighting elections on the slogan of "NO SERVICE CHARGES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is manna from heaven for the Shinners!!!
Water should be charged for. There are the costs of maintenance of the infrastructure (pumps, pipework, valves, reservoirs etc), costs of storage, costs of disposal (drains etc), and costs of purification. Then there are the costs of pollution. I can see no arguement against water charges if you have any form of supply or drain.
 

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Water should be charged for. There are the costs of maintenance of the infrastructure (pumps, pipework, valves, reservoirs etc), costs of storage, costs of disposal (drains etc), and costs of purification. Then there are the costs of pollution. I can see no arguement against water charges if you have any form of supply or drain.
I agree with you, but the reality is that Gilmore and Rabbitte and co built their political careers on the basis that they were opposed to water/service charges!
 

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If this is true, then it could well be the first wind-breaker to go up to slowdown the Gilmore Gale!
 

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I agree with you, but the reality is that Gilmore and Rabbitte and co built their political careers on the basis that they were opposed to water/service charges!
Ah. I didn't know that. Then they are typical two faced lying politicians then?
 

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I agree with you, but the reality is that Gilmore and Rabbitte and co built their political careers on the basis that they were opposed to water/service charges!
Labour =FF =FG they are all the same.Fix the Leaks then and only then can you have water charges
 

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Water should be charged for. There are the costs of maintenance of the infrastructure (pumps, pipework, valves, reservoirs etc), costs of storage, costs of disposal (drains etc), and costs of purification. Then there are the costs of pollution. I can see no arguement against water charges if you have any form of supply or drain.
What about people out in the sticks with septic tanks? Well supplies? Are you going to charge them as well??

This country is not like the UK where 98% of water is mains supplied and similar for sewerage.

Water charges will only work here for those major towns and cities where sewerage and water are both mains.
 

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Water should be charged for. There are the costs of maintenance of the infrastructure (pumps, pipework, valves, reservoirs etc), costs of storage, costs of disposal (drains etc), and costs of purification. Then there are the costs of pollution. I can see no arguement against water charges if you have any form of supply or drain.
FYI - we are already paying for it!:rolleyes:

This is just more taxation of people to bail out International Capitalism!

Also an undue burden will fall on low or medium paid householders

- as the rich will not be much out of pocket

- & the unemployed will be exempt.

+ the so called Asylum Seekers

- and Roma Gypsies (now being housed in private houses in Dublin West!)

- are not going to be asked for this extra contribution either.

More effective discrimination against wage earning Home Owners!:mad:
 

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Fix the Leaks then and only then can you have water charges
Do you have any idea how costly the remediation water mains actually is? In many instances it is cheaper in the long term to provide additional production capacity than it is to carry out sufficient replacement of mains.
 

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Water should be charged for. There are the costs of maintenance of the infrastructure (pumps, pipework, valves, reservoirs etc), costs of storage, costs of disposal (drains etc), and costs of purification. Then there are the costs of pollution. I can see no arguement against water charges if you have any form of supply or drain.
No.. water should not be charged for it is an essential service.On your argument footpaths should be tolled as they too need to be built and maintained by the state.We already pay taxes to the government for essential services.Why not have a security tax for upkeep of the army and guards?This water tax business is just a way of preparing us all for privatisation, its sick really.Labour are being exposed bit by bit and thats because they are no different.
 

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What about people out in the sticks with septic tanks? Well supplies? Are you going to charge them as well??

This country is not like the UK where 98% of water is mains supplied and similar for sewerage.

Water charges will only work here for those major towns and cities where sewerage and water are both mains.
As far as I'm aware the only proposals out there are to charge those connected to municipal services. People connected to group water schemes, people with their own well, people with septic tanks, etc... they already bear the costs of providing their own services.
 

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Do you have any idea how costly the remediation water mains actually is? In many instances it is cheaper in the long term to provide additional production capacity than it is to carry out sufficient replacement of mains.
Had a conversation with a guy who fixes leaks and he said that 20% was about the best they could get to, because it's too expensive to hunt down the thousands of tiny ones.
 

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No.. water should not be charged for it is an essential service.On your argument footpaths should be tolled as they too need to be built and maintained by the state.We already pay taxes to the government for essential services.Why not have a security tax for upkeep of the army and guards?This water tax business is just a way of preparing us all for privatisation, its sick really.Labour are being exposed bit by bit and thats because they are no different.
If they are applied "fairly" you get charged a flat fee for a certain usage level. Above that people should pay more. The trouble aside from leaks is sheer wastage. The stupidity of people last winter keeping taps running all night to "stop pipes from freezing" deserves to be charged heavily.
 

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Do you have any idea how costly the remediation water mains actually is? In many instances it is cheaper in the long term to provide additional production capacity than it is to carry out sufficient replacement of mains.

IF the remediaton was done it would save water which is the reason for a charge in the first place.BTW look at the jobs this would create.
 

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Water charges are applied throughout Europe with the exception of Ireland. It does not come for free, it has to be treated as safe to drink and there is a lot of money being invested in this area. Ditto for property charges throughout Europe.
People in Ireland may not like to hear it but people in Ireland are paying a lot less taxation compared to European norms and Ireland is living well beyond its means. If the government doesn't have severe cuts in current expenditure and raises a lot more tax in the upcoming budget, the IMF will do it in the new year and the upcoming budget will seem like a walk in the park.
 
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No.. water should not be charged for it is an essential service.On your argument footpaths should be tolled as they too need to be built and maintained by the state.We already pay taxes to the government for essential services.Why not have a security tax for upkeep of the army and guards?This water tax business is just a way of preparing us all for privatisation, its sick really.Labour are being exposed bit by bit and thats because they are no different.
Do you pay tax for essential service ?

How much Income tax did you pay last year ?
 
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IF the remediaton was done it would save water which is the reason for a charge in the first place.BTW look at the jobs this would create.
You really that sure ?

Relaying of all mains would be necessary and who pays for that exactly ?
 


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