Global Heat Wave: Is This The New Climate Change Normal?:

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The graph shows the actual amount of ice coverage in square kilometres, and shows the actual ice coverage is in decline
Average September Sea Ice Extent is dropping by ~13% per decade. It has reduced by ~40% since 1990 so by 2050, only half of what is now there in September will be gone.

 


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So the whole "climate change" fuss is about elites keeping their place on top of a changing environment, that will cause major disruptions even if we all went back to living in mud huts in the morning.
I think that really sums it up, compared to nature mankind is irrelevant. The climate will do what the climate will do and we wont be able to do a damn thing about it.
 

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I think that really sums it up, compared to nature mankind is irrelevant. The climate will do what the climate will do and we wont be able to do a damn thing about it.

That's like saying healthcare is irrelevant as we are all going to die someday anyway.
 

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if by business as usual, you mean a few million square kilometres less of ice in Artic region, then, yes, business as usual.
of course, it's not only the extent of the ice coverage that's shrinking,
the thickness of the ice is also decreasing,
so the reduction in the volume of the ice is decreasing much more rapidly, than the 'ice coverage'.
 

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maybe that Ice Age that you told us a few years ago, would be here soon, has arrived at long last, Turbs ?
mind you, the graph of the ice extent above does not support your "a bumper ice winter so far in the Arctic" - sorry Turbs.

& you know Turbs that the average temperature of the planet doesn't change that much, month to month, or indeed year to year,
so if a particular region is experiencing short term very high/low temperatures,
you can be sure that an adjacent region is experiencing temperatures in the opposite direction.
it's as simple as that, Turbs.
Instead of making a constant idiot of yourself on here - maybe you might consider educating yourself on the likes of the Polar Vortex etc.??
 

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Instead of making a constant idiot of yourself on here - maybe you might consider educating yourself on the likes of the Polar Vortex etc.??
LOL!!!
you know Turbs, if you took your own advise & educated yourself on,
……………..…...ahem …………...…….. "the likes of the Polar Vortex etc",
you mightn't make an amadán of yourself here on P.ie, the way that you did with your post that I responded to.

& if you had educated yourself on the timescales of Ice Ages & the role of CO2 as a GHG, you might not have made "a constant idiot of yourself ", the way that you did when you told us here a few years ago, that an Ice Age was coming soon, & that the EU would relocate us to the Sahara.
LOL !!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
 

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For about 80-85% of earth's history there has been no ice on the poles. This is "normal", but not for us as a species.

As we are coming out of an ice age, and warming up, the poles must melt. We can argue how quickly, and whether we are to blame for some or lots of the warming, but that all misses the point.

So the whole "climate change" fuss is about elites keeping their place on top of a changing environment, that will cause major disruptions even if we all went back to living in mud huts in the morning.
Lads, will ye get your story straight.

Is there more ice that ever on the poles or is the disappearing ice just a normal part of a longer cycle??
 

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LOL!!!
you know Turbs, if you took your own advise & educated yourself on,
……………..…...ahem …………...…….. "the likes of the Polar Vortex etc",
you mightn't make an amadán of yourself here on P.ie, the way that you did with your post that I responded to.

& if you had educated yourself on the timescales of Ice Ages & the role of CO2 as a GHG, you might not have made "a constant idiot of yourself ", the way that you did when you told us here a few years ago, that an Ice Age was coming soon, & that the EU would relocate us to the Sahara.
LOL !!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
Mangaire2, you're trolling, rather like mangaire1.......
 

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Lads, will ye get your story straight.

Is there more ice that ever on the poles or is the disappearing ice just a normal part of a longer cycle??
Either way, there's nothing to be worried about.....
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Average September Sea Ice Extent is dropping by ~13% per decade. It has reduced by ~40% since 1990 so by 2050, only half of what is now there in September will be gone.

Except the last decade, ooops

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BBC news reporting this minute that the Thwaite glacier threatening to break off from Antarctica. The glacier is the size of Britain.
Did they say the reason its going to break off is bc there's too much ice?

Or that the glaciers have been shrinking since the ice age?

Or that the expedition that's being funded to the tune of millions is there to confirm climate change - iow it's an advertising trip rather than a scientific one?
 

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LOL!!!
you know Turbs, if you took your own advise & educated yourself on,
……………..…...ahem …………...…….. "the likes of the Polar Vortex etc",
you mightn't make an amadán of yourself here on P.ie, the way that you did with your post that I responded to.

& if you had educated yourself on the timescales of Ice Ages & the role of CO2 as a GHG, you might not have made "a constant idiot of yourself ", the way that you did when you told us here a few years ago, that an Ice Age was coming soon, & that the EU would relocate us to the Sahara.
LOL !!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!
I should have known such concepts were beyond your tiny mind
 

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The graph shows the actual amount of ice coverage in square kilometres, and shows the actual ice coverage is in decline
I don't think it's in decline but is part of the natural cycle.

If it is in decline that's a good thing, The Vikings used to farm Greenland during the mwp, going back to that would be good.

Most people would certainly welcome a warmer Ireland ☀ 🤗
 

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Average September Sea Ice Extent is dropping by ~13% per decade. It has reduced by ~40% since 1990 so by 2050, only half of what is now there in September will be gone.

Alarmists have been saying that for decades, the Islands are sinking, Manhattan will be flooding. None of their apocalyptic nonsense has come to pass.

Both Tuvalu and the Maldives are expanding, spending billions on new hotels, and four new airports.

Why does the msm not tell us those facts?
 

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Lads, will ye get your story straight.

Is there more ice that ever on the poles or is the disappearing ice just a normal part of a longer cycle??
Its a shifting picture.
 

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For about 80-85% of earth's history there has been no ice on the poles. This is "normal", but not for us as a species.

As we are coming out of an ice age, and warming up, the poles must melt. We can argue how quickly, and whether we are to blame for some or lots of the warming, but that all misses the point.

So the whole "climate change" fuss is about elites keeping their place on top of a changing environment, that will cause major disruptions even if we all went back to living in mud huts in the morning.
Don't you read the news?

The current inter-glacial period began ~10,000 ago and was announced in all the daily papers. :rolleyes: Heavy glacial and inter-glacial periods have been going on for thousands of years, up to 800,000 or more.

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As you say yourself, modern humans only evolved within this narrow timespan, and we only invented agriculture in the last little bit on the right, just before 0.

So I would not be risking that our agriculture stays the same if you push it out of that temperature or co2 envelope. Not for all of the ignorati blethering on the internet.

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Don't you read the news?

The current inter-glacial period began ~10,000 ago and was announced in all the daily papers. :rolleyes: Heavy glacial and inter-glacial periods have been going on for thousands of years, up to 800,000 or more.

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As you say yourself, modern humans only evolved within this narrow timespan, and we only invented agriculture in the last little bit on the right, just before 0.

So I would not be risking that our agriculture stays the same if you push it out of that temperature or co2 envelope. Not for all of the ignorati blethering on the internet.

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Normal parameters for co² over millions of years is between 220ppm and 420ppm, we're just at the upper end of the normal scale.

Plant life thrives on co², that's why greenhouse owners pump in 1,000ppm 🙂
 

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Normal parameters for co² over millions of years is between 220ppm and 420ppm, we're just at the upper end of the normal scale.

Plant life thrives on co², that's why greenhouse owners pump in 1,000ppm 🙂

55 million years back it was over 2,000 ppm, and yet most mammals survived. Fish and dinos not so lucky. No hummers driving around in them times.

The real "climate deniers" are those who give the impression that all climate systems were more or less the same until 1950, and then suddenly changed.

The sudden change argument gives hope that we can suddenly change back again, if we all go and live in mud huts. But this process is endless.
 

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55 million years back it was over 2,000 ppm, and yet most mammals survived. Fish and dinos not so lucky. No hummers driving around in them times.

The real "climate deniers" are those who give the impression that all climate systems were more or less the same until 1950, and then suddenly changed.

The sudden change argument gives hope that we can suddenly change back again, if we all go and live in mud huts. But this process is endless.
The mammals that were around 55 millions years ago were about the size of squirrels. The world's fauna were dominated by dinosaur species.

At least you will not have a space problem in your mud hut. :rolleyes:
 


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