Global Warming never stopped: No Hiatus, No Pause, Independent Scientists Confirm ....

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It was a major myth circulated by climate "sceptics" (deniers or detractors) that global warming "stopped" in 1998, a key year when global temperature spiked.

However, global temperatures also spiked last year, and in 2015, NOAA published a paper that declared that the "hiatus" (or apparent slowdown) was a data artefact of ocean warming

The paper attracted fierce criticism, though mainly from politicians. NOAA was sub-poena'd for the e-mails of the paper's main author Dr Thomas Karl by a Congressional Committee led by Congressman Lamar Smith, a man well funded by the fossil fuel industry. NOAA handed over data, but no e-mails.

No independent researchers at Berkeley Earth, ironically funded partly by the fossil fuel magnates the Koch brothers, have published a paper confirming NOAA's findings.

[video=youtube;hnyX32nkYBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnyX32nkYBs[/video]

An article in the Scientific American by the paper authors:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/political-investigation-is-not-the-way-to-scientific-truth/

No pause in warming of oceans, new studies warn



This plays precisely into the conflict between political science denial by key figures in the Trump administration, and the science produced by Government scientists in NOAA and NASA. There may be blood.
 


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The big data hasn't convinced enough people so I think we should try to emphasise the 'use your common sense' approach and use easily recognisable changes in the world as indicators of changing times. For example, it is now possible for a boat to navigate far into the Arctic ocean whereas - and this is an easily verified fact - in years gone by this was impossible due to the extent of sea ice. Also just ask yourself if you have ever known a December as warm as the one we have just had? Furthermore, just ask very old people what they think of the changes in the climate.
 

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It was a major myth circulated by climate "sceptics" (deniers or detractors) that global warming "stopped" in 1998, a key year when global temperature spiked.

However, global temperatures also spiked last year, and in 2015, NOAA published a paper that declared that the "hiatus" (or apparent slowdown) was a data artefact of ocean warming

The paper attracted fierce criticism, though mainly from politicians. NOAA was sub-poena'd for the e-mails of the paper's main author Dr Thomas Karl by a Congressional Committee led by Congressman Lamar Smith, a man well funded by the fossil fuel industry. NOAA handed over data, but no e-mails.

No independent researchers at Berkeley Earth, ironically funded partly by the fossil fuel magnates the Koch brothers, have published a paper confirming NOAA's findings.

[video=youtube;hnyX32nkYBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnyX32nkYBs[/video]

An article in the Scientific American by the paper authors:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/political-investigation-is-not-the-way-to-scientific-truth/

No pause in warming of oceans, new studies warn



This plays precisely into the conflict between political science denial by key figures in the Trump administration, and the science produced by Government scientists in NOAA and NASA. There may be blood.
Sad but unsurprising news. I kinda knew the earth isn't flat.
 

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Even so, I see 3 downs and 4 ups over a 16 year period, with a mean rise of 0.2C.

If it was 20C over 16 years, I might sit up.

If the worry is a 2C rise by 2100, then this is within that. And we've been much hotter in the past.

The big problem with all warming theories, good and bad, is the assumption that a climate ground-zero started when we started using thermometers. Fact is, nothing stands still.
 

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Even so, I see 3 downs and 4 ups over a 16 year period, with a mean rise of 0.2C.

If it was 20C over 16 years, I might sit up.

If the worry is a 2C rise by 2100, then this is within that. And we've been much hotter in the past.

The big problem with all warming theories, good and bad, is the assumption that a climate ground-zero started when we started using thermometers. Fact is, nothing stands still.
I think that the average temperature of the planet ic c. 15 C
so a 2 C rise is c. 13% temperature rise.
of course much of the planet is barely habitable at present, because it's so hot right now.
so - how will it be when the temperature rises by up to 2% ?

also. a 2% rise will cause considerable rise in sea levels.
what happens to the people living in coastal areas that will be engulfed by the sea ?
& some of the regions in question are highly populated regions.

not too sure what you're trying to say in your last paragraph ?
 

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A lot of the reasonable assessments I have read and heard in the last year or so don't paint a very good picture of the state of the oceans or the climate.

I don't see humanity doing enough and I think in a short space of time actions will be reactionary rather than prevention. All of it will have been predicted and denied of course.

As far as I'm concerned we may still get lucky if other factors we are not aware of yet come into play.
 

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zzzzzzzzzzz, yet more fake news. So when the next ice age comes around, it'll be because of global warming, right?
 

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Wonder how these climate change neurotics and hysterics would react if the Thames froze solid like it did back in the 60's and numerous times in the 16th Century.There'd probably be calls for compulsory sandal wearing and National Muesli Days
 

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I think that the average temperature of the planet ic c. 15 C
so a 2 C rise is c. 13% temperature rise.
of course much of the planet is barely habitable at present, because it's so hot right now.
so - how will it be when the temperature rises by up to 2% ?

also. a 2% rise will cause considerable rise in sea levels.
what happens to the people living in coastal areas that will be engulfed by the sea ?
& some of the regions in question are highly populated regions.

not too sure what you're trying to say in your last paragraph ?
No. You can't treat temperature like this. Zero degrees Celsius is not absolute zero, it is an arbitrary scale based on water that suits us quite well. You cannot base a percentage increase on this scale. Sorry.

That said, it is no surprise that there is no pause worth considering seriously. It still won't stop people trying though.
 

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The climate has always been changing and bad weather is not something that only came along recently. The hysteria from the alarmists has done terrible damage to the credibility of climate science
 

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The whole scientific consensus is behind man-made global warming.

Its sad to see posters turning it into a pro- or anti-Trump issue.

Are we that silly?

Our whole economic system depends on the global financial interests which are promoting global warming.

Trump isnt responsible for that, and Hillary wouldnt have stopped it.

We really are a very stupid species.
 

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The climate has always been changing and bad weather is not something that only came along recently. The hysteria from the alarmists has done terrible damage to the credibility of climate science
Perhaps. The science that climate scientists have carried out has done great good to credibility of climate science. Whether people like it or not.
 

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- in years gone by this was impossible due to the extent of sea ice. Also just ask yourself if you have ever known a December as warm as the one we have just had? Furthermore, just ask very old people what they think of the changes in the climate.

There was warmer Decembers in the 1860's in this part of the world.
 

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It was a major myth circulated by climate "sceptics" (deniers or detractors) that global warming "stopped" in 1998, a key year when global temperature spiked.

However, global temperatures also spiked last year, and in 2015, NOAA published a paper that declared that the "hiatus" (or apparent slowdown) was a data artefact of ocean warming

The paper attracted fierce criticism, though mainly from politicians. NOAA was sub-poena'd for the e-mails of the paper's main author Dr Thomas Karl by a Congressional Committee led by Congressman Lamar Smith, a man well funded by the fossil fuel industry. NOAA handed over data, but no e-mails.

No independent researchers at Berkeley Earth, ironically funded partly by the fossil fuel magnates the Koch brothers, have published a paper confirming NOAA's findings.

[video=youtube;hnyX32nkYBs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnyX32nkYBs[/video]

An article in the Scientific American by the paper authors:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/political-investigation-is-not-the-way-to-scientific-truth/

No pause in warming of oceans, new studies warn



This plays precisely into the conflict between political science denial by key figures in the Trump administration, and the science produced by Government scientists in NOAA and NASA. There may be blood.
We all know that our great Government will now lead the way in increasing Carbon taxes on us, knowing damn well it will not make a difference on the global scale. I expect Eamonn Ryan and the other Greens will lead the call for extra taxes and our inept Government will rise to the challenge.
 

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Perhaps. The science that climate scientists have carried out has done great good to credibility of climate science. Whether people like it or not.
Interesting how we never hear from climate scientists who actually put things in context - I guess it wouldn't fit in with the "alarmist" agenda

Abrupt Climate Change During the Last Ice Age | Learn Science at Scitable

From link above "One of the most surprising findings was that the shifts from cold stadials to the warm interstadial intervals occurred in a matter of decades, with air temperatures over Greenland rapidly warming 8 to 15°C (Huber et al. 2006"
 

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zzzzzzzzzzz, yet more fake news. So when the next ice age comes around, it'll be because of global warming, right?
Ah here come on you know well you can't called it global warming , it's climate change .Owed and his statist drones will be annoyed
 
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Even so, I see 3 downs and 4 ups over a 16 year period, with a mean rise of 0.2C.

If it was 20C over 16 years, I might sit up.

If the worry is a 2C rise by 2100, then this is within that. And we've been much hotter in the past.

The big problem with all warming theories, good and bad, is the assumption that a climate ground-zero started when we started using thermometers. Fact is, nothing stands still.
The problem with deniers is that they have not got a clue.

Your personal observations are your opinions, evidence-free and valueless. Look again - the average planetary temperature has already risen by ~1C since pre-industrial times. At 0.2C per 20 years it will be 2C above pre-industrial in 100 years. Actually the rate is faster than that - more like 0.2C per decade, so it will there by about 2050.

Next!
 
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We all know that our great Government will now lead the way in increasing Carbon taxes on us, knowing damn well it will not make a difference on the global scale. I expect Eamonn Ryan and the other Greens will lead the call for extra taxes and our inept Government will rise to the challenge.
Either teh planet is warming, or it is not.

If it is, and the evidence says so, then you have to deal with it.

Turning it into a political hate-fest is cringeworthy.
 

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The whole scientific consensus is behind man-made global warming.

Its sad to see posters turning it into a pro- or anti-Trump issue.

Are we that silly?

Our whole economic system depends on the global financial interests which are promoting global warming.

Trump isnt responsible for that, and Hillary wouldnt have stopped it.

We really are a very stupid species.
It's a Ponzi scheme.

The mission of Trump, Tillerson and Co is to flog fossils fuels in the short term so a few people can get very rich very quickly. In the long term, fossil fuels have no value because we will have to stop using them - the Governor of the Bank of England Mark Carney said as much recently.

At least Hilary Clinton was up for managing that transition and decarbonising the energy economy as painlessly as possible, laid out in the Paris Climate Agreement (As a species, we are not totally stupid).

With Trump, there may be a hard stop, like a "hard" Brexit, to using fossil fuels in the mid 2020s with disastrous consequences for the world's poor. The bubble will burst, fossil fuels will plunge in value (being "stranded assets") and become worthless, with an attendant economic slump.

We can enjoy cheap energy now - our children will pay the price.
 
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Either teh planet is warming, or it is not.

If it is, and the evidence says so, then you have to deal with it.

Turning it into a political hate-fest is cringeworthy.
Politics is an integral part of the climate change issue, so they cannot be removed from the issue. Ireland is mostly insignificant in this issue, but as I said Politicians in this country will levy carbon charges on its population, under the guise of stopping global warming.
 


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