Google Radicalisation Engine

Volatire

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Tech companies are evil entities that are radicalizing society in the interests of a fast buck from ad revenue. According to this excellent article by Zeynep Tufekci on Google's evil, self-serving recommender algorithm, based on a similar earlier piece in WSJ.

How YouTube Drives People to the Internet’s Darkest Corners

YouTube, the Great Radicalizer

Recommender systems explained

What we are witnessing is the computational exploitation of a natural human desire: to look “behind the curtain,” to dig deeper into something that engages us. As we click and click, we are carried along by the exciting sensation of uncovering more secrets and deeper truths. YouTube leads viewers down a rabbit hole of extremism, while Google racks up the ad sales.

What keeps people glued to YouTube? Its algorithm seems to have concluded that people are drawn to content that is more extreme than what they started with — or to incendiary content in general.
This radicalisation includes, but goes way beyond, politics. A teenager searches for a vegetarian recipe, and within a few months refuses to wear leather shoes. Radicalisation courtesy of the geeks at google.
 


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Nah give people some credit, even small kids know youtube is not serious.
 
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Zeynep Tufekci is not a real person. This is known since the Shkreli/Ohanian article.
 

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Well, for the type of machine learning algorithms that google are using, what's going on under the hood often isn't very understandable or obvious even to the designers (can be something of black boxes). If you train these algorithms with the goal of purely keeping users on the site and continuing to generate advertising revenue, then the algorithms will find a way (though the way may be unexpected or not particularly desirable for society). For example, such a program trained to predict the likelihood of criminals re-offending in the US (built up using profile information), was found to heavily use race as a predictor (Rise of the racist robots).
 

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Tech companies are evil entities that are radicalizing society in the interests of a fast buck from ad revenue. According to this excellent article by Zeynep Tufekci on Google's evil, self-serving recommender algorithm, based on a similar earlier piece in WSJ.

How YouTube Drives People to the Internet’s Darkest Corners

YouTube, the Great Radicalizer

Recommender systems explained






This radicalisation includes, but goes way beyond, politics. A teenager searches for a vegetarian recipe, and within a few months refuses to wear leather shoes. Radicalisation courtesy of the geeks at google.
Interesting that the focus is on the idea of a 'radicalised' leftie lol. Why pick on the vegans?

The real agenda here is clamping down on conservatives. You know it. I know it. anyone with a brain knows it...

The corporate media have ZERO problem with vegans and other such lefties. For emphasis: ZERO. Censorship is to be applied to conservatives. As far at the NYT et al are concerned Vegans are a non-issue / non 'problem'. So let's be honest and admit what the real agenda and the real target is in the minds of those who push to "reform" the internet...
 
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Interesting that the focus is on the idea of a 'radicalised' leftie lol. Why pick on the vegans?

The real agenda here is clamping down on conservatives. You know it. I know it. anyone with a brain knows it...

The corporate media have ZERO problem with vegans and other such lefties. For emphasis: ZERO. Censorship is to be applied to conservatives. As far at the NYT et al are concerned Vegans are a non-issue / non 'problem'. So let's be honest and admit what the real agenda and the real target is in the minds of those who push to "reform" the internet...
It goes without saying that white conservatives are the source all evil in the world. Ask any leftie.

However it seems to me that the observation that algorithms that aim to maximise clicks might have dire social consequences transcends politics. Gullible people can be pushed towards political extremism but also extreme religion, extreme pornography, extreme dietary habits, extreme social views and beliefs of all kinds.

The greed of liberal dïckheads of silicon valley may be making our kids and society ill.
 

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Have people heard of Bing, Startpage, DuckDuckgo , IxQuick as a default search engine and use VPNs and blocker
for advertisements to prevent G****le setting cookies in the Browser.Personally I never use Chrome, and use G*****le as little as possible.
 
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Have people heard of Bing, Startpage, DuckDuckgo , IxQuick as a default search engine and use VPNs and ******************************************er to prevent Google setting cookies in the Browser.Personally I never use Chrome, and use Google as little as possible.
Bing is absolutely rubbish.
 

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Bing is poor , you're correct .I use Startpage as search engine and supply as much data as possible to narrow the scope of returns from the search engine.
 

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Bing is poor , you're correct .I use Startpage as search engine and supply as much data as possible to narrow the scope of returns from the search engine.
Why don't you like google? it is the best for finding what you want right?
 

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Horseshyte.

Shouldn't you be skinning the bear you single handedly caught during the snow when the rest of us cucks were cowering at home?
 

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The market that the right idolise has moved against them and they don't like it one bit.
 

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G*****le's raison d'etre is to harvest data and sell it on to other companies at a charge of course.That is their modus operandi gather data and sell it on.G*****le cookies are more effective than human beings at data gathering and are a mine of info for potential earnings for other corporations who wish to trade online.
 
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Google's raison d'etre is to harvest data and sell it on to other companies at a charge of course.That is their modus operandi gather data and sell it on.Google cookies are more effective than human beings at data gathering and are a mine of info for potential earnings for other corporations who wish to trade online.
So what?
Google make most of their money from adwords which could only be successful if they keep visitors happy by serving relevant data on searches. They make so much from adwords compared to others because they also serve their visitors better than the other search engines with more relevant info to the search term. That is the value of their superior algorithm.
Ask any business owner what they think of paying google for adwords and they will tell you it's a fantastic tool which can target customers better than anything seen before, you get exactly what you pay for, more bang for the advertising buck.
As for youtube any 9 year old kid knows it's only a laugh.
Anytime I hear people whinging about data and privacy I just know they are scared of something, have something to hide and are most likely up to no good.
 

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Well, for the type of machine learning algorithms that google are using, what's going on under the hood often isn't very understandable or obvious even to the designers (can be something of black boxes). If you train these algorithms with the goal of purely keeping users on the site and continuing to generate advertising revenue, then the algorithms will find a way (though the way may be unexpected or not particularly desirable for society). For example, such a program trained to predict the likelihood of criminals re-offending in the US (built up using profile information), was found to heavily use race as a predictor (Rise of the racist robots).
+1

A good explanation, Google aren't deliberately trying to radicalise anyone, but if the algorithm finds people watching X type of video spend more time on the site and since its aim is that, it pushes those videos in certain circumstances.
It should be possible to remove that category of video from the algorithm altogether though.
 

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So what?
Google make most of their money from adwords which could only be successful if they keep visitors happy by serving relevant data on searches. They make so much from adwords compared to others because they also serve their visitors better than the other search engines with more relevant info to the search term. That is the value of their superior algorithm.
Ask any business owner what they think of paying google for adwords and they will tell you it's a fantastic tool which can target customers better than anything seen before, you get exactly what you pay for, more bang for the advertising buck.
As for youtube any 9 year old kid knows it's only a laugh.
Anytime I hear people whinging about data and privacy I just know they are scared of something, have something to hide and are most likely up to no good.
So if the postman knocks on your door tomorrow, and all your post has been opened and read, and he has gone through your parcels to see what you bought, you won't mind because you have nothing to hide?
 

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About time FB, Youtube and co. accept that they can't just treat all content as equal or pretend they're not media companies.

Going on to the US holocaust museum channel and then being recommended holocaust denial videos is a prime example of the problem.

YouTube isn't solely to blame, obviously content creators go to the extremes to get views.
 


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