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GOP: Picking Tea Party extremists has backfired


cyberianpan

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Any incumbent party is vulnerable in the Mid-Terms, and the Dems are indeed in trouble

Yet, the Tea Party has been pushing extremists onto the GOP ballot... in an election cycle when moderates were looking for an excuse to cross the aisle

Consider Nevada, Harry Reid is clearly very unpopular
"Harry Reid is the most negatively viewed person in this state and there is a hardened opposition to him. I think Sharron Angle could be arrested for a felony tomorrow and still get percent 40 percent of the vote," Ralston[local journalist] told CNN.
With the GOP now showing regret
Sharron Angle: 'I'll be a mainstream senator' - CNN.com
But it's not just politicians who are concerned. In a poll released by the Las Vegas Review Journal on August 27, 71 percent of Nevada Republicans admit they would prefer to see a different Republican candidate take on Reid. Of those Republicans who voted for Angle in the primary election, 66 percent now say they'd like another nominee.
And indeed Reid having turned an 11 point initial losing position into a 7 point lead between June & July :
The Fix - Harry Reid takes the lead over Sharron Angle in Nevada

So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?

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So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?
The GOP placards come election day are going to read "No Big government", "reject socialism" and "Stop illegal immigration". The 'big issues' promoted by the Tea Party are at the heart of the GOPs policy dilemma, but the Republicans are not going to win by adopting Democrat policies. In the end though Arizona is a good example. A Republican State legislature creates a law on illegal immigration, and the Obama Federal administration openly condemns it and subjects it to a legal challange, going against State will. The GOP house has its problems, but I think its the 'big ticket issues' that will see the GOP and Tea Party differances dissapear come election day. And lets not forget, the Republcans are the House minority and the US is in a double dip recession - a situation that Tea Party issues aside usually plays well for the opposition party regardless of who it is.
 

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Not borne out by the national-polls. Gallup are now the only poll not giving the GOP a lead (12% lead for GOP in Rasmussen which is the most accurate because they only poll likely-voters). It's true Reid is ahead in some polls but most have it within the margin of error. For example, Tea-Partier Rand Paul is ahead 15% in the latest Rasmussen poll. Now the Democrats are just 5% ahead in Robert Byrd's old seat which has been held since the 1940's.
 
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Its difficult to say but I think in the more Red states the tea party will do fine. If the Republicans pick Christine O'Donnell in Delaware they are really shooting themselves in the foot. Delaware is a more moderate state where Mike Castle the current congressman is so favored to prevail there that even Joe Bidens son (the current DE Attorney General) decided not to contest the race. Polls for the general election show that Castle would win but that O'Donnell would be easily beaten.

There are a number of primaries next Tuesday after which most candidates will have been selected. By Wednesday morning the picture will become clearer and it will be easier to judge how the tea party overall will do.
 

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Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINO’s because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.
 

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Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINO’s because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.

Thats a fair point but how much more of a Republican agenda can you pass with 50 Republican Senators (incl some RINOs) vs. 20 - 30 purist tea party conservatives?
 

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Any incumbent party is vulnerable in the Mid-Terms, and the Dems are indeed in trouble

Yet, the Tea Party has been pushing extremists onto the GOP ballot... in an election cycle when moderates were looking for an excuse to cross the aisle

Consider Nevada, Harry Reid is clearly very unpopular


With the GOP now showing regret
Sharron Angle: 'I'll be a mainstream senator' - CNN.com


And indeed Reid having turned an 11 point initial losing position into a 7 point lead between June & July :
The Fix - Harry Reid takes the lead over Sharron Angle in Nevada

So has the "Tea Party" backfired terribly ?

cYp
Yes - they were an effort by "astro-turfing" right-wing groups to create their own army of supporters comparable to Organising For America, eventually to get behind a normal, Romney-esque right-wing candidate for President. Unlike Obama luvvies, these ones decided to use their power to influence Congressional primaries, and now we have the spectacle of nutcases snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Many in the Tea Party are sick and tired of picking RINO’s because they are the lesser of two evils. We've had enough. We would rather support Conservatives or nothing at all. And if that means a Democrat will win because of it, then so be it. We're not going to sell our souls anymore.
If you think that, then you are an extreme right-winger. I presume you understand why this must be the case, given what you have said about being neutral between Democrats and Republicans; you must be either so far left or so far right that you think there is no difference.
 

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Thats a fair point but how much more of a Republican agenda can you pass with 50 Republican Senators (incl some RINOs) vs. 20 - 30 purist tea party conservatives?
Fiscal Conservatives aren’t judged by the color of their state, or the tea they drink. Not interested really in just Tea Party candidates. Social issues take second fiddle to fiscal issues for the most part. Get enough fiscal conservatives who aren’t afraid to go up against the party political machines, and you can get quite a bit accomplished.

If you think that, then you are an extreme right-winger. I presume you understand why this must be the case, given what you have said about being neutral between Democrats and Republicans; you must be either so far left or so far right that you think there is no difference.
Committing my vote for only fiscal Conservatives doesn’t make me far right or far left, just fiscally conscious. I had hopes for Blue Dog Democrats, but you don’t hear much about them any more do you, because when it came time to vote against policies and legislation that go against fiscal responsibility, they just rolled over under the pressure of Pelosi and Reid. If enough people simply vote their conscious, regardless of a candidate’s electability, it will send a message to the party leaders.
 

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Fiscal Conservatives aren’t judged by the color of their state, or the tea they drink. Not interested really in just Tea Party candidates. Social issues take second fiddle to fiscal issues for the most part. Get enough fiscal conservatives who aren’t afraid to go up against the party political machines, and you can get quite a bit accomplished.



Committing my vote for only fiscal Conservatives doesn’t make me far right or far left, just fiscally conscious. I had hopes for Blue Dog Democrats, but you don’t hear much about them any more do you, because when it came time to vote against policies and legislation that go against fiscal responsibility, they just rolled over under the pressure of Pelosi and Reid. If enough people simply vote their conscious, regardless of a candidate’s electability, it will send a message to the party leaders.

OK Goober, it appears ODonnell has won the republican primary in Delaware and thus the Democrats can hold the seat in November. Fiscal conservatives are hard to come by in Blue States.

This was the same ODonnell soundly beaten by Biden 2 years ago. I don't know why they think she could win again.

This will really dent Republicans slim hopes of taking back the Senate.
 

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The GOP placards come election day are going to read "No Big government", "reject socialism" and "Stop illegal immigration".
Partying like it's 1994...the asinine "Contract with America". Worth as much as the paper it was written on.

The faces and names can change (though Newt's still stinking up the place), but the tired old script remains the same. And nothing meaningful ever changes. Then again, maybe TPTB have been reading Lao Tzu.

One does less and less until one does nothing at all, and when one does nothing at all there is nothing is undone.
It is always through not meddling that the empire is won. Should you meddle, then you are not equal to the task of winning the empire.
The sage in his attempt to distract the mind of the empire seeks urgently to muddle it. The people all have something to occupy their eyes and ears, and the sage treats them all like children.
 

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OK Goober, it appears ODonnell has won the republican primary in Delaware and thus the Democrats can hold the seat in November. Fiscal conservatives are hard to come by in Blue States.

This was the same ODonnell soundly beaten by Biden 2 years ago. I don't know why they think she could win again.

This will really dent Republicans slim hopes of taking back the Senate.
Are you sure? With Obamas ratings going through the floor many Tea partiers may get a bounce from that. Some of them scare the bejaysus out of mainstream America but the fiscal conservative anti-Tarp types could get some momentum out of the current climate.
 

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Whatever you say about Reid.. he is a former boxer and a fighter with dogged determination. More than that he is an experienced political in-fighter. He has a multimillion war chest, and could conceivable be called the most powerful man in the USA at this juncture. He will be really, REALLY hard to beat.

The miracle is that even with all that going for him, he is only ahead in the polls by 1.4%, a virtual tie. RealClearPolitics - Election 2010 - Nevada Senate - Angle vs. Reid

He is vulnerable, there is a target on his back, the smell of blood is in the waters and an angry mob is closing in... it will be hard but it is possible that he will be defeated.
 

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Are you sure? With Obamas ratings going through the floor many Tea partiers may get a bounce from that. Some of them scare the bejaysus out of mainstream America but the fiscal conservative anti-Tarp types could get some momentum out of the current climate.
First post-primary election poll:

Public Policy Polling: Coons up big

If Castle had won he would have received more Democratic support than any other Republican Senate candidate in the country. Now our polling suggests with O’Donnell’s victory that Coons will win more Republicans than any other Democratic Senate candidate in the country.
 

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I think that's the pre-primary hypothetical-poll, imokyrok.
 

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The GOP will rue the day that this nutjob movement came along as it now seems to the GOP more harm than the Democrats.
Even the hypocristy of the Tea Party movement is galling - stand in the primary on their nutjob platform, the win, then realise the GOP machine wont back them and to get this they have to come out and say that if elected they will be mainstream politicans.
These people must be stopped. Wake up America and see these loonies for what they are1
 

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The GOP will rue the day that this nutjob movement came along as it now seems to the GOP more harm than the Democrats.
Even the hypocristy of the Tea Party movement is galling - stand in the primary on their nutjob platform, the win, then realise the GOP machine wont back them and to get this they have to come out and say that if elected they will be mainstream politicans.
These people must be stopped. Wake up America and see these loonies for what they are1

Rue the day that the message is finally getting to the party leaders that fiscal conservatism must be brought back to the forefront of the GOP? I think not!

Funny how so many on the Left love to tout how bad it was that Republicans spent so much money when Bush was in office, yet now say that candidates who stand on fiscal conservatism will ruin the GOP. LOL!

And I don’t consider myself loony, unless the argument can be made that equates fiscal responsibility with lunacy.

Don’t be so gullible as to think the one individual dressed in a statue of liberty costume that the MSM loves to show, out of tens of thousands, is representative of the whole Tea Party movement.

Step away from the boob tube. Take a deep breath and count to ten. You will feel much better.
 

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The GOP will rue the day that this nutjob movement came along as it now seems to the GOP more harm than the Democrats.
You make the mistake of viewing the U.S. through European eyes. Americans are more self reliant than Europeans, they don't like govt. interfering with their lives, they are more conservative on most issues what sells in Peoria would be unthinkable in Dublin. We'll see what they think when they vote.
 

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The TEA PARTY is going global

Tea party extremist? Ha! according to whom? we are mainstream.
And we are going global. T.E.A. party standing for Taxed Enough Already.

Soon, specially after something similar to a federal vat tax and carbon taxes take effect inthe EU, the Tea party will take root in European shores too, I suspect.

What I do consider extremism is to tax CO2, a normal by-product of living thing and the source of life for plants. Taxing which will do absolutely NOTHING to reduce the CO2 percent in the atmosphere and is just another lame excuse for covering financially irresponsible government deficits.

Tea Party comes to Australia | The Australian
 
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