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Gories: German Euroskeps & Tory Euroskeps "in hush hush deal behind Merko's back!"


Dublin 4

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David Cameron arrived in Germany for talks with Angela Merkel on Friday evening as his Conservative allies planned a secret deal with German Eurosceptics backing his bid to loosen Britain's European Union membership.
Talks between the Tories and the new Alternative fuer Deutschland (AfD), an anti-euro party, came to light as the Prime Minister and his family flew to Germany as the personal guests of the Chancellor at the castle of Meseberg, her country retreat.


Tories build secret alliance with Eurosceptics behind Merkel's back - Telegraph

This new G-Kip Party has only started so it's difficult to gauge how much could be made from all of this.

However the Germans are getting angrier with each new EZ Country falling into a Bailout Program.

Could we be witnessing the seeds being sown of a new EU or even the end of the EU via Brexit?
 


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I assume which ever Tory leaked this did not have Cameron's best interests at heart.
 

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The more bailouts between now & the vote - the more likely Brexit. :shock:
 

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The Bailouts make Europe look like a circus



 

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Tories build secret alliance with Eurosceptics behind Merkel's back - Telegraph

This new G-Kip Party has only started so it's difficult to gauge how much could be made from all of this.

However the Germans are getting angrier with each new EZ Country falling into a Bailout Program.

Could we be witnessing the seeds being sown of a new EU or even the end of the EU via Brexit?
Trying to undermine the German chancellor's position coming up to an election is not an intelligent idea.

Cameron and the tory's need to wake up and fast, otherwise someone like Merkel might call there bluff and support Britain having an all in or all out referendum. That would tear apart UK industry due to uncertainty and cause the City of London financial sector to up sticks and leave.

The Tory's seem like they are trying to defuse a napalm bomb with a flamethrower.
 

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Cameron and the tory's need to wake up and fast, otherwise someone like Merkel might call there bluff and support Britain having an all in or all out referendum. That would tear apart UK industry due to uncertainty and cause the City of London financial sector to up sticks and leave.
I would *love* to see that happen.
 

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I would *love* to see that happen.
You would.

Are you insane?

Do you hate the Irish that much?

10's of thousands of Irish jobs depend upon back room service jobs and exports to the UK, if not a few hundred thousand.

If the UK economy falls apart because the City of London up sticks and leaves, followed by a serious drop in the pound, then Ireland will not be exporting as much to the UK and the IFSC more or less empties as the UK banks will no longer be there, then expect to see Ireland having even bigger problems than now.

The farming industry would be hammered in a situation like that because they would be getting substantially less for food exports in the UK.

The knock on effects across Irish industry would be horrific. Ireland would be in a situation similar to when De Valera decided to act the idiot with the UK over exports and imports.

If the UK has a referendum about EU membership and decides to leave it, then Ireland will suffer, due to Irish business not opening up new markets outside England.

Ireland would be hammered by the UK leaving the EU.
 

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On how the said AFD could do.
A representative opinion poll conducted in April by Infratest dimap determined that 24% of the German electorate may vote for the Alternative for Germany in the upcoming general election. The results of the poll were as follows: certainly yes 7%, possibly yes 17%, possibly no 15%, certainly no 59%. The party is particularly successful in Eastern Germany (27%), with women (27%), the less educated (33%), and the young (36%). The party draws support from across the political spectrum: Die Linke (29%), SPD (21%), Greens (14%), CDU/CSU (19%), and is particularly successful with voters of small parties (46%), non-voters (31%), and the undecided (32%).[12]
 

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Why? The UK doesnt contribute to the bailouts.
One who does not know the facts. First of all the UK has to contribute to the IMF bailout funds. Secondly as a member of the EU it has to contribute to European bailouts.
 

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I think he's referring to the ESM
 

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One who does not know the facts. First of all the UK has to contribute to the IMF bailout funds. Secondly as a member of the EU it has to contribute to European bailouts.
As far as I can see, their contribution has been their 4.5% of IMF funding, except in our case. So, yes, they do contribute to the bailouts, but then so does every IMF member. And they've dragged their feet pretty hard on any increase in IMF contributions.
 

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Throughout the Eurocrisis the persistent undercurrent is that Germany will cut loose on a two tier currency arrangement that will suit the healthier and stronger Nordic economies.

There is nothing to stop them doing this and it would be very very much in their economic interests to do so.

Ailing PIGS countries will simply be left with a Euro mark 2 of lower value.

The British have their own currency and can easily play the eurosceptic unlike Irelands pathetic quisling govt now jumping at every barked out German order.
 

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As far as I can see, their contribution has been their 4.5% of IMF funding, except in our case. So, yes, they do contribute to the bailouts, but then so does every IMF member. And they've dragged their feet pretty hard on any increase in IMF contributions.
Here is some of that funding.

The UK is liable for 4.5% of IMF funding, so a leap of this magnitude could see Britain's contribution rise beyond the £40 billion maximum currently approved by Parliament - potentially provoking furious opposition among MPs.
Britain faces £17bn IMF bill to pay for new bail out - Telegraph

Britain has already made £30billion available to the IMF to help prop up the stricken euro and other troubled countries around the world. UK taxpayers have also stumped up£12.5billion to help bail out Greece, Ireland and Portugal.

Read more: 'UK should contribute billions more to euro bailout fund' says IMF's Lagarde | This is Money
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Throughout the Eurocrisis the persistent undercurrent is that Germany will cut loose on a two tier currency arrangement that will suit the healthier and stronger Nordic economies.

There is nothing to stop them doing this and it would be very very much in their economic interests to do so.

Ailing PIGS countries will simply be left with a Euro mark 2 of lower value.

The British have their own currency and can easily play the eurosceptic unlike Irelands pathetic quisling govt now jumping at every barked out German order.
Such an arrangement would literally break Germany. The debt is in Euro, if Germany left and was having the billions upon billions it is owed being repaid back in a totally devalued Euro currency then its banks would face collapse.

A lot of the money loaned out to PIIGS countries eventually finds it way back to source in German Banks.
 

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I've searched the internet and I don't trust the story. Every reference I've found, traces back to the UK's Daily Telegraph; which is notoriously Europhobic.
 

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http://www.ukipmeps.org/uploads/file/Cost_of_the_EU_25_5_11.pdf - Page 6

€6.3 Billion of EU money is lost to fraud ANNUALLY.
Er, no:

How much fraud is committed in the EU?

EU countries reported:

Expenditure

irregularities reported as fraudulent costing €295 million (0.21% of total EU expenditure) in 2011 – compared with €478 million (0.35%) in 2010
irregularities not reported as fraudulent costing €1.2 billion (0.86% of total EU expenditure) in 2011 – compared with €1.3 billion (0.94%) in 2010

Revenue

irregularities reported as fraudulent involving €109 million (1.24% of the gross amount of traditional own resources collected) for 2011 compared with €165 million (1.21%) for 2010
irregularities not reported as fraudulent involving €278 million (1.24% of the gross amount of traditional own resources collected) for 2011 compared with €253 million (1.21%) for 2010

Recovery

recovery rates varied between 52% and 93% depending on the budget sector – with a total recovery of €1.8 billion in 2011
European Commission - OLAF - Fraud in figures

That's €1.82 billion total for 2011, with a recovery of €1.8 billion.
 

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