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Gormley Confirms Existance of Rotation to Green NEC


Comhairle

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According to TV3's Ursula Halligan, Minister John Gormley has confirmed last saturday the existance of the rotation deal to members of the Green Party's National Executive Council.

She said that the PP have left if up to John Gormley wheather or not to go ahead with the deal but that he is adamant to keep his word and will go ahead with it.

Pretty shocking stuff alright.
 
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According to TV3's Ursula Halligan, Minister John Gormley has confirmed last saturday the existance of the rotation deal to members of the Green Party's National Executive Council.

She said that the PP have left if up to John Gormley wheather or not to go ahead with the deal but that he is adamant to keep his word and will go ahead with it.

Pretty shocking stuff alright.
Terrible altogether - it's called a re-shuffle. Downright criminal. Now that Moriarty is almost finished with the investigation into the activities of FG and their friends we should ask him to investigate this - as a matter of urgency:D
 

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Terrible altogether - it's called a re-shuffle. Downright criminal. Now that Moriarty is almost finished with the investigation into the activities of FG and their friends we should ask him to investigate this - as a matter of urgency:D
What's mad about it is that he hardly think's that he can remain on as Leader but yet still be on the backbenches.

He won't get a Super Junior for Public Sector Reform, nor will they get a third Senior Ministry.

So it's either snub Cuffe or keep his word.
 
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What's mad about it is that he hardly think's that he can remain on as Leader but yet still be on the backbenches.

He won't get a Super Junior for Public Sector Reform, nor will they get a third Senior Ministry.

So it's either snub Cuffe or keep his word.
Hardly shocking though - and you're thinking inside the box. Things can change and government can function in new and different ways.
 

uriah

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According to TV3's Ursula Halligan, Minister John Gormley has confirmed last saturday the existance of the rotation deal to members of the Green Party's National Executive Council.

She said that the PP have left if up to John Gormley wheather or not to go ahead with the deal but that he is adamant to keep his word and will go ahead with it.

Pretty shocking stuff alright.
Everyone pleading with Brian Cowen to do a reshuffle.
The Green Party plans a reshuffle and the same people profess shock and disapproval.

It's what happens (or should happen) in political parties from time to time.
 

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Gene Kerrignan wrote about this last Sunday link.

Gene Kerrigan - Sunday Independent said:
"Take the Greens. Imagine if a few years back someone revealed that a cabal of Fianna Failers was secretly rigging the composition of the Cabinet. Hey -- you be minister long enough to get a pension, then I'll be minister for a while. Imagine if the configuration of the Cabinet was decided by Fianna Fail chancers in deals so secret that even members of the Cabinet seemed unaware of them.

Imagine Haughey or Ahern was caught at that. The ropey alibis and the thick mist of spin would descend on everything, and dissenting newspaper columnists would spend weeks trying to blow the fog away. Today, there's no real effort to pretend that the secret rigging of the Cabinet is anything other than what it is -- unquestionably wrong and irretrievably debased. The very word Green has come to mean a particularly sneaky, self-serving form of behaviour. And the Greens seem cool with that."
Kerrigan is right ... this is unquestionably wrong and irretrievably debased. The worst part is that Eamon Ryan claims not to have known about the deal. Nor did the members of the Green Party who voted for PfG I and PfG II.

If this dirty little deal was kept secret, what other dirty little deals are also being kept secret?

This is the worst kind of slimy, gombeen, thick necked, sleveen politics possible. Everyone (with the obvious exception of the gombeen supporters who have already posted in this thread above) should be able to see that.
 
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Gene Kerrignan wrote about this last Sunday link.



Kerrigan is right ... this is unquestionably wrong and irretrievably debased. The worst part is that Eamon Ryan claims not to have known about the deal. Nor did the members of the Green Party who voted for PfG I and PfG II.

If this dirty little deal was kept secret, what other dirty little deals are also being kept secret?

This is the worst kind of slimy, gombeen, thick necked, sleveen politics possible. Everyone (with the obvious exception of the gombeen supporters who have already posted in this thread above) should be able to see that.
What's the difference between this and what we normally term a reshuffle?
 

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@ Sailor ... have a look at my post above. Also have a look at this article by Liam Fay link ... it might answer your question.

Liam Fay - TimesOnline said:
Having built their political careers on the claim that the Greens put policies before personalities, the party’s parliamentarians are now exposed as status-hungry hypocrites, for whom ministerial office is a merry-go-round on which they all feel entitled to a spin.

Viewed alongside the abandon with which Gormley and communications minister Eamon Ryan have dispensed lucrative state sinecures to Green stalwarts, the latest disclosure incinerates what’s left of the party’s pretence to be a standard-bearer for open, accountable and egalitarian politics.

Off the record, some Greens defend the wheeze as “good for democracy”. Democratic concerns were conspicuously overlooked, however, when party bosses were signing a pact with Ahern.

More opportunistic than hitherto suspected, the Greens have not yet reached the depths to which they are prepared to stoop in order to indulge themselves in the spoils of office."
It should be fairly obvious whats wrong with this.
 

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What's the difference between this and what we normally term a reshuffle?
This deal kept all the Greens obedient as they were all getting a Ministership at some stage.
 

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What's the difference between this and what we normally term a reshuffle?
I don't believe for a moment that Ryan didn't know about this deal. Sources say that even the lowliest of Green Party members were aware of it but didn't think it would ever be enacted.
 

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greengoose is correct.. cabint reshuffles are as result of past performances or lack of thereof , and are intended to give new impetus to a government,

The greens rotation is sheely self serving, as the trust of it is to covet a cabinet seat irrespective of how well or poorly the incumbent is performing.

It is certainly distasteful..... and the greens have the neck to preach to us all that the way government is conducted , is in need of reform.
 
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What you normally term a reshuffle is not pre planned. It is an evolution of circumstances as illustrated by the present situation!

The slime deal is a secret form of chicanery pre planned.
So, a reaction to immediate, short-term circumstances is, in some way, ethically superior and supportive of more efficient government than a planned re-organisation:confused:
 

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So, a reaction to immediate, short-term circumstances is, in some way, ethically superior and supportive of more efficient government than a planned re-organisation:confused:
No. It is not planned re-organisation and well you know it! Good teams are built up and as the French are wont to say "on ne change pas une equipe gagnant" or one never changes a winning team. Even subs are deeply involved in the affairs of the team. The government team don't even understand what they read from their prepared speeches so that's a non runner!
 
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No. It is not planned re-organisation and well you know it! Good teams are built up and as the French are wont to say "on ne change pas une equipe gagnant" or one never changes a winning team. Even subs are deeply involved in the affairs of the team. The government team don't even understand what they read from their prepared speeches so that's a non runner!
Not at all - as any football manager will tell you it is the quality of the squad rather than the first 15 that wins big competitions. Well planned utilisation of all available talent is essential.
 

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So, a reaction to immediate, short-term circumstances is, in some way, ethically superior and supportive of more efficient government than a planned re-organisation:confused:
Please do not feed the troll. Troll is perfectly intelligent and realises the difference between cosy secret deals and genuine reshuffles. Said troll is only looking for a rise.
 

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This is all purely academic. Cowen is incapable of doing a full reshuffle, as that would involve making decisions.
 
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