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Gormley faces US quiz for holding up 600 jobs


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EMBATTLED Environment Minister John Gormley last night came under intense pressure to explain why a €350m project that would create 600 jobs is being held up -- as unemployment rose to a record high.
Mr Gormley's handling of the job-rich Poolbeg incinerator development in his own constituency has prompted the US Ambassador to Ireland Dan Rooney to demand a face-to-face meeting with the Green Party leader.

The revelation of so many potential jobs being delayed came as new live register figures yesterday revealed there are a record 452,882 people out of work.
The American-Ireland Chamber of Commerce has also expressed concern about the possible damage to Ireland's "solid reputation for being business friendly to foreign investors".
Gormley faces US quiz for holding up 600 jobs - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie

Would be interesting to see how Gormley explains this to the US ambassador.
 

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If the US Ambassador is taking an interest it is solely because there is a prospect of significant profits flowing to a US company.
 

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The Taoiseach should show leadership here and if Gormley does not step up to the mark the Greens should be told to take a hike or get on their bikes and we should have an election to clear the air
 

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The thread title implies Gormley will be hauled before a Congressional committee. Disappointed to hear it's only a chat with the Ambassador.
 

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If the US Ambassador is taking an interest it is solely because there is a prospect of significant profits flowing to a US company.

That usually happens with US investment overseas, the trade-off here being some much-needed jobs. An issue that none of the partners in government have shown any interest in.
 

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It's a reasonable thing for the ambassador to enquire about. It's a US company that's applied for a licence to conduct business and passed every regulatory and legal requirement. And it's been held up for no apparent reason other than "one member of government doesn't like it".

Now that's the perogative of the Irish govt, but it's something American business and government are entirely entitled to observe and say "Ireland? Not such an easy place to do business. Let's go elsewhere"
 

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If the US Ambassador is taking an interest it is solely because there is a prospect of significant profits flowing to a US company.
Wow shocker foreign ambassador takes interest in relationship between host government and a company from his country. Prospect of profits main motivation, amazing
 

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Isn't there a question about a dodgy contract which means Dublin City Council have to pay the incinerator people a large fine if they fail to supply a certain amount of waste for burning? And is it not now the case that those projected waste volumes are too high?

F me, I've been jumping to John Gormley's defence all morning in various threads. I don't even support the government. It's a bit worrying that I'm alone (so far anyway).
 

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The Taoiseach should show leadership here and if Gormley does not step up to the mark the Greens should be told to take a hike or get on their bikes and we should have an election to clear the air
Sure. Let's see the same kind of leadership which resulted in hundreds of engineering jobs go to Scotland and Germany.

Gormley has had a good week. He's banned Stag hunting and looks like he's about to ban jobs too.

I think Gormley is looking for political cover. He wants the opp parties to start shouting about the jobs so he can go into the election saying that his constituency opponents demanded he release the license. That's some fine leadership there Johnny.
 

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Having read the article no-one should be allowed to include construction jobs in press releases about job numbers in relation to new industries. The 500 construction jobs would be very welcome but they will only last for a very short time. I would be shocked if there were much more than 1000 labour years in the project. I wouldn't be at all suprised if there were less than 500.
 

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On MI this morning, he wasn't showing any signs of relenting. Maybe it will save his seat at the next election, but it could be exposing the taxpayer to a massive compo claim, if the project doesn't go ahead, of if it's scuppered by artificially set levies.
 
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The Irish Independent this morning reports that the American Ambassador, Dan Rooney, is demanding a meeting with Environment Minister John Gormley over the stalling of the construction of the Poolbeg Incinerator. The company awarded the contract to build the incinerator Covanta have been expressing frustration at the awarding of the foreshore licence. The Independent piece suggests that Cowen may in fact meet with Covanta executives when he visits New York in two weeks to discuss the issue.

So, there appears to be some background issues at play here. Firstly, Dublin City Council awarded a contract for an incinerator to be built in Poolbeg by Covanta. The incinerator is big, very big in fact, it can handle 600,000 tonnes a year.

Private firms (the companies that collect waste - they're mostly represented by a group called the IWMA) are against the incinerator, they argue the plant is too big, and they also point out they have invested in means to handle the waste they collect. This waste they collect is an issue too. Dublin City Council lost a case recently where they tried to say that they own the waste even after it's collected. They lost this case, private firms when they collect the waste then own it.

But these private firms have their own means of dealing with the waste, and the court case effectively means Dublin City Council can't tell the private collectors to send their waste to Poolbeg. Yet Dublin City Council has guaranteed to supply 320,000 tonnes of waste to Poolbeg, and will have to compensate Covanta if this minimum threshold is not met. It would take all of the waste in Dublin (and some) to satisfy the Poolbeg incinerator, but as we can see, Dublin City Council don't appear to have any waste to give them. Covanta is attempting to source the other 280,000 tonnes needed to bring Poolbeg to full capacity.

Poolbeg when operating at full capacity will produce enough power for 50,000 homes. Proponents of the plant say it will allow Ireland to substantially reduce dependence on landfill as required by the EU Landfill Directive. Opponents of Poolbeg (including John Gormley) say that Poolbeg will reduce dependence on recycling - with so much waste needing to go to address the capacity demands, much of what is produced will be burnt regardless. John Gormley says the target of 70% recylables will not be possible if Poolbeg needs to be fed.

John Gormley (even this morning on Morning Ireland) argued that Poolbeg is too big and the means of dealing with the waste in Poolbeg isn't ideal. Gormley says that MBT (Mechnical Biological Treatment) is much more efficient means of dealing with waste. Gormley has said the construction of Poolbeg is contrary to what his policy is for dealing with waste in this country.

So, the IWMA made a complaint to the Competition Authority about Dublin City Council acting in an (allegedly) anti-competitive manner. I spokes to a spokesperson in the Competition Authority this morning who said that it's a matter of public record that a complaint was made by the Irish Waste Management Association about (alleged) anti-competitive behaviour by DCC over the Pooling Incinerator.

And so back to the stalling. A contract has been signed between Dublin City Council and Covanta to build the incinerator. Construction was supposed to start in 2008 and Covanta at the time said it was confident that all the licensing issues would be sorted promptly. A final piece in the puzzle is the foreshore licence which once issued by Gormley will allow the incinerator to fully proceeed. Gormley is being accused of deliberately holding it up in order to prevent the plant from being built.

Stephen Collins in the Irish Times on Saturday wrote a piece critical of John Gormley on the matter. Fine Gael too have criticised Gormley (mainly in response to the piece by Collins on Saturday), Phil Hogan called on Gormley to be removed from influence or decision making on the issue. "It is time for the Taoiseach Brain Cowen TD to implement Government policy and to insist that his cabinet colleagues are not making decisions that demonstrate a clear conflict of interest." was how Phil Hogan put it in a statement at the weekend.

So Covanta seem to be getting a bit tetchy of late - recently warning that 600 jobs are at risk - Gormley says many more jobs than that will be created by him if his waste strategy proceeds. Scott Whitney of Covanta has criticised the lack of transparency by the Irish Government over this issue:

We are at a loss to understand why the Government appears unable, or unwilling, to ensure that its regulatory systems operate in a transparent and predictable manner so as to enable a project such as this, having national importance, to move ahead as speedily as possible
Alot is at stake over the waste incinerator, whether it's built or not, the taxpayer is going to pay dearly for what's going on.
 

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This is how the Greens & Fianna Fail encourage FDI

This is how the Greens & Fianna Fail encourage FDI.

Make them jump through all the planning hoops and then screw them just before the finish line.

What are US firms to make of this nonsense?
 

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What is also at stake is the sanity of people in the counties surrounding Dublin who for years have put up with Dublin landfilling its waste (collected by both the councils and the private side) in their communities. Dublin produces millions of tonnes of waste every year and Dublin should deal with its own waste be it commercial or from households. Also as I understand it what comes out the other end of MBT process has to be incinerated or landfilled anyway which kinda defeats the purpose in my view. I don't believe all this rubbish, excuse the pun, that MBT is be all and end all that some people seem to believe.
 

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The Irish Independent this morning reports that the American Ambassador, Dan Rooney, is demanding a meeting with Environment Minister John Gormley over the stalling of the construction of the Poolbeg Incinerator. The company awarded the contract to build the incinerator Covanta have been expressing frustration at the awarding of the foreshore licence. The Independent piece suggests that Cowen may in fact meet with Covanta executives when he visits New York in two weeks to discuss the issue.

So, there appears to be some background issues at play here. Firstly, Dublin City Council awarded a contract for an incinerator to be built in Poolbeg by Covanta. The incinerator is big, very big in fact, it can handle 600,000 tonnes a year.

Private firms (the companies that collect waste - they're mostly represented by a group called the IWMA) are against the incinerator, they argue the plant is too big, and they also point out they have invested in means to handle the waste they collect. This waste they collect is an issue too. Dublin City Council lost a case recently where they tried to say that they own the waste even after it's collected. They lost this case, private firms when they collect the waste then own it.

But these private firms have their own means of dealing with the waste, and the court case effectively means Dublin City Council can't tell the private collectors to send their waste to Poolbeg. Yet Dublin City Council has guaranteed to supply 320,000 tonnes of waste to Poolbeg, and will have to compensate Covanta if this minimum threshold is not met. It would take all of the waste in Dublin (and some) to satisfy the Poolbeg incinerator, but as we can see, Dublin City Council don't appear to have any waste to give them. Covanta is attempting to source the other 280,000 tonnes needed to bring Poolbeg to full capacity.

Poolbeg when operating at full capacity will produce enough power for 50,000 homes. Proponents of the plant say it will allow Ireland to substantially reduce dependence on landfill as required by the EU Landfill Directive. Opponents of Poolbeg (including John Gormley) say that Poolbeg will reduce dependence on recycling - with so much waste needing to go to address the capacity demands, much of what is produced will be burnt regardless. John Gormley says the target of 70% recylables will not be possible if Poolbeg needs to be fed.

John Gormley (even this morning on Morning Ireland) argued that Poolbeg is too big and the means of dealing with the waste in Poolbeg isn't ideal. Gormley says that MBT (Mechnical Biological Treatment) is much more efficient means of dealing with waste. Gormley has said the construction of Poolbeg is contrary to what his policy is for dealing with waste in this country.

So, the IWMA made a complaint to the Competition Authority about Dublin City Council acting in an (allegedly) anti-competitive manner. I spokes to a spokesperson in the Competition Authority this morning who said that it's a matter of public record that a complaint was made by the Irish Waste Management Association about (alleged) anti-competitive behaviour by DCC over the Pooling Incinerator.

And so back to the stalling. A contract has been signed between Dublin City Council and Covanta to build the incinerator. Construction was supposed to start in 2008 and Covanta at the time said it was confident that all the licensing issues would be sorted promptly. A final piece in the puzzle is the foreshore licence which once issued by Gormley will allow the incinerator to fully proceeed. Gormley is being accused of deliberately holding it up in order to prevent the plant from being built.

Stephen Collins in the Irish Times on Saturday wrote a piece critical of John Gormley on the matter. Fine Gael too have criticised Gormley (mainly in response to the piece by Collins on Saturday), Phil Hogan called on Gormley to be removed from influence or decision making on the issue. "It is time for the Taoiseach Brain Cowen TD to implement Government policy and to insist that his cabinet colleagues are not making decisions that demonstrate a clear conflict of interest." was how Phil Hogan put it in a statement at the weekend.

So Covanta seem to be getting a bit tetchy of late - recently warning that 600 jobs are at risk - Gormley says many more jobs than that will be created by him if his waste strategy proceeds. Scott Whitney of Covanta has criticised the lack of transparency by the Irish Government over this issue:



Alot is at stake over the waste incinerator, whether it's built or not, the taxpayer is going to pay dearly for what's going on.
That is a very useful summary.
 

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Isn't there a question about a dodgy contract which means Dublin City Council have to pay the incinerator people a large fine if they fail to supply a certain amount of waste for burning? And is it not now the case that those projected waste volumes are too high?

F me, I've been jumping to John Gormley's defence all morning in various threads. I don't even support the government. It's a bit worrying that I'm alone (so far anyway).
You are 100% wrong. This is Gormley's spin on the project because it is in his patch. Another incinerator is currently under construction in Duleek because it is not in Gormley's patch.
 

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It's amazing watching how differently Gormley acts about the Shell works in Mayo.

Foreshore licence? No problem.

Want to dig a huge hole on the site of an environmentally protected area? That's fine.

Local protest- put them in jail.
 

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Who is this former politician Gormley mentioned that has putting a bias spin on the American project.
He mentioned it on News at One and also on Morning Ireland today.
 
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"A former politician that's whispering in Covanta's ear" is how he put it. Ominous. But lots of former politicans are now out in private industry.
 

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"A former politician that's whispering in Covanta's ear" is how he put it. Ominous. But lots of former politicans are now out in private industry.
And when Gormless becomes a 'Former Politician' after the next GE, will he not be whispering in the ear of companies ?
 
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