Gormley just said "sometimes sovereignty is a moot point"

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He sure has the best interests of the country at heart doesn't he. He also rambled on about how when we joined the EU we pooled our sovereignty and blah blah blah. And when asked specifically about sovereignty said "sometimes sovereignty is a moot point". Yeah, Minister - when ye stopped giving a f*ck about the people and the country and when ye put bankers and bondholders first and make us debt slaves to the IMF/ECB/EU so we can sacrifice ourselves for French and German banks and international bondholders. This isn't the Somme and we shouldn't go over the top when they blow the whistle, we should not sacrifice ourselves and our country for the benefit of others.

We have a very clear option and that option is default. It has been espoused by economists, Constantin Gurdgiev even said it earlier today. An economist called Robin Hahnel said it earlier on Al Jazeera. We have that option if we'd only stand up for ourselves. Default, it's the least worst option.
 


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So now gormless, the leader of a party that interprets 600 people casting a vote on an issue as having a mandate for the entire electorate, this man is now qualified and empowered enough to decide the outcome of our sovereignty?

He is a psycopathic, delusional cretin whose posturing is effectively treason and should be treated as such.
 

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Any self respecting person affiliated to that party should be ashamed of themselves.
Would Gormley be so understanding if he was in oppossition, the Green's are finished come the next general election. Good riddance to a cowardice rotten group.
 

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So now gormless, the leader of a party that interprets 600 people casting a vote on an issue as having a mandate for the entire electorate, this man is now qualified and empowered enough to decide the outcome of our sovereignty?

He is a psycopathic, delusional cretin whose posturing is effectively treason and should be treated as such.

I fully agree, this man is the most condescending of all the government politicians and regularly talks down to us as though we are all kids.
Not for long more I hope, the marches which will start next Saturday will be the end for this shower of lying parasites.
 
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He sure has the best interests of the country at heart doesn't he. He also rambled on about how when we joined the EU we pooled our sovereignty and blah blah blah. And when asked specifically about sovereignty said "sometimes sovereignty is a moot point". Yeah, Minister - when ye stopped giving a f*ck about the people and the country and when ye put bankers and bondholders first and make us debt slaves to the IMF/ECB/EU so we can sacrifice ourselves for French and German banks and international bondholders. This isn't the Somme and we shouldn't go over the top when they blow the whistle, we should not sacrifice ourselves and our country for the benefit of others.

We have a very clear option and that option is default. It has been espoused by economists, Constantin Gurdgiev even said it earlier today. An economist called Robin Hahnel said it earlier on Al Jazeera. We have that option if we'd only stand up for ourselves. Default, it's the least worst option.
And this just happens to be an integral part of the political-economic model that +90% of the voters choose every time they are consulted.
 

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Saw it live on SKY but they're only showing edited bits of the interview now and the sovereignty remark isn't included..........
 

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National sovereignty allowed the Greens to introduce their carbon taxes.

National sovereignty allowed them to ban stag hunting.

National sovereignty allows them to introduce water charges.

Without national soverignty they cannot do anything.

Default has to happen, as the Irish econony will not generate the revenue to pay the debts, that national sovereignty is allowing them to contract.
 

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We have a very clear option and that option is default It has been espoused by economists, Constantin Gurdgiev even said it earlier today. An economist called Robin Hahnel said it earlier on Al Jazeera. We have that option if we'd only stand up for ourselves. Default, it's the least worst option.
the EU will not allow a default, and given that we need them a lot more than they us at present we will have to accept the best deal we can get from the EU/IMF
 

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Which planet is the Little Green Man on now?
They do not live in our world, three of them were dropping leaflets through doors in Terenure this afternoon, enumerating all the great things that the greens have done. I tackled them asked them what planet were they living on? Did they not realise the IMF are here as a result of the greens supporting the ffers? They looked at me as if this was the first they had heard of the IMF being here or of the fact that the majority of population want a GE NOW and that the greens will shortly no longer exist.

Even now they have not got the message, I wonder was the leaflet drop authorised by HQ or are they just some of the nutjob greens who think that banning staghunts and introducing more layers of tax is an achievement.
 

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It amazing that it has to come to a crisis for a politician to show their true colours.

Even when it comes to the point where the incumbant government have been shown to be a reckless and shameless shower that have lied to its people and have limped on and on and on in the knowledge that the electorate want them out, they still try their best to mitigate their part in all of it. Minister Gormely is almost as comical as Minister Harney, who blamed the financial regulator for the crisis.

Well, this poster, for one, shall never forget that FF/Grn policies, and lack thereof, have threatened the livilhoods of many.

When these people rustle up the courage to go out and knock on people's doors, we should remember this and never ever let the likes of them to get back into power again.

At least that is something we can do.
 

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the EU will not allow a default, and given that we need them a lot more than they us at present we will have to accept the best deal we can get from the EU/IMF
Sorry but you have it wrong, they don't have us by the balls, we have them by the balls - only their pressing and we're fondling. Or you could say we have each other by the balls in a way. If we default we do not need a bailout, we only need the bailout for the banks!

At this juncture it should be what is best for Ireland and not what is best for the EU.
 

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John Gormley and his party prostituted themselves out to Fianna Fail.They've got their money so now its time for them to leave.
 

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what does national sovereignty mean when the "market" dominates every political decision?

I think gormo may be right.
 

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He sure has the best interests of the country at heart doesn't he. He also rambled on about how when we joined the EU we pooled our sovereignty and blah blah blah. And when asked specifically about sovereignty said "sometimes sovereignty is a moot point". Yeah, Minister - when ye stopped giving a f*ck about the people and the country and when ye put bankers and bondholders first and make us debt slaves to the IMF/ECB/EU so we can sacrifice ourselves for French and German banks and international bondholders. This isn't the Somme and we shouldn't go over the top when they blow the whistle, we should not sacrifice ourselves and our country for the benefit of others.

We have a very clear option and that option is default. It has been espoused by economists, Constantin Gurdgiev even said it earlier today. An economist called Robin Hahnel said it earlier on Al Jazeera. We have that option if we'd only stand up for ourselves. Default, it's the least worst option.
Well said but the problem is with this word you are using 'we', the ones negotiating on our behalf are the ones who got us into this mess and whose role has yet to be properly examined - how can we even trust them to act on our behalf instead of Europe's?

There is a we and there is them and another them.

Gormley had best not be so cavalier or he may eat those words, sovereignty may take many forms, there is parliamentary sovereignty and there is angry mob with pike sovereignty... He won't think it is a moot point if it is the latter.
 

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Sorry but you have it wrong, they don't have us by the balls, we have them by the balls - only their pressing and we're fondling. Or you could say we have each other by the balls in a way. If we default we do not need a bailout, we only need the bailout for the banks!

At this juncture it should be what is best for Ireland and not what is best for the EU.
if we default then where will massive shortfall it has between income and expenditure ? the international markets will not lend it to us, the IMF will not outside of the EU/ECB framework, you would quickly have insufficient funds to pay wages, social welfare, etc. the banks would implode under the exodus of funding and inability to obtain external funding...

bottom line is that we cannot default within the euro, its simply not an option.
 

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the EU will not allow a default, and given that we need them a lot more than they us at present we will have to accept the best deal we can get from the EU/IMF
The intention is that Ireland takes this multi-billion Euro loan ,pays the interest for the next 3 years and tries to rollover the loan again in 3 years time. This is the type of borrowing that got this country into this mess in the first place. It will cost €43billion to run the state this year down 5 billion on last year. that leaves a deficit of €11billion not 20 as FF are so fond of spouting. If another 6 comes out next year that leaves the overun at €5billion ,with any luck this could be less. It is time to separate the state from the banks. Any Guarantee is null and void as the banks deceit is plain to see.
reach an aggreement with the Swedes for a small loan to cover all deposits under 50k and let the rest go
 

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they just some of the nutjob greens who think that banning staghunts and introducing more layers of tax is an achievement.
Ciaran Cuffe sent out a leaflet in DL talking about the Dublin mayor - I didn't bother to read it, no interest.
 


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