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Government in crisis - is the coalition in danger of collapse?


borntorum

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Two major issues have hit the government over the past 24 hours - the refusal to apologise for the Magdalene laundries and the emerging farce of the on-off P-Note deal. Could the confluence of events bring down the government?

We already knew that the Labour party is very unhappy over the refusal of the Taoiseach to make a clear apology to the women enslaved in the Magdalene laundries by the State. Whether this in itself would be enough to bring down the government is unlikely, although one remembers Albert Reyolds' observation that "it's the little things that trip you up".

But tonight we are learning that the supposed deal between the ECB and the government over the Anglo promissory notes is not agreed. This is far from the first time that the government have hyped up a supposed breakthrough, before having to back down. The Labour party have made clear recently that this a major issue for them, with Gilmore threatening a coalition collapse if a deal is not secured. If the government is not able to convince the ECB over the next 24 hours to accept their proposal, will Labour say "enough is enough" and pull the plug?
 


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Two major issues have hit the government over the past 24 hours - the refusal to apologise for the Magdalene laundries and the emerging farce of the on-off P-Note deal. Could the confluence of events bring down the government?

We already knew that the Labour party is very unhappy over the refusal of the Taoiseach to make a clear apology to the women enslaved in the Magdalene laundries by the State. Whether this in itself would be enough to bring down the government is unlikely, although one remembers Albert Reyolds' observation that "it's the little things that trip you up".

But tonight we are learning that the supposed deal between the ECB and the government over the Anglo promissory notes is not agreed. This is far from the first time that the government have hyped up a supposed breakthrough, before having to back down. The Labour party have made clear recently that this a major issue for them, with Gilmore threatening a coalition collapse if a deal is not secured. If the government is not able to convince the ECB over the next 24 hours to accept their proposal, will Labour say "enough is enough" and pull the plug?
We have to wait. But one thing is certain: if there's no (good) deal Kenny and Noonan are toast.
 

Mr. Bumble

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No way will Labour pull out because of the Magdalene Laundries. It's just the parliamentary party trying to salvage some kudos from Kenny's poor performance.

Ditto the P note deal. It would be lunacy for Labour to go to the country on the basis that they and FG failed to negotiate a deal. What would they say? "We failed to get a deal so we left government because, er, we failed to get a deal. Vote for us."
 

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Yeah, its the worst crisis since the last crisis yesterday or the day before. One of those anyway. Not as bad as tomorrows crisis mind which will be way worse. Don't even get me started on Friday.......................
 

commonman

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If they did fall in the morning who can we put in FF, there still on remand as far as i am concerned,
 

southwestkerry

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Today Tonight once said something along the lines 'never mind all that, what about... aaaahhh what was that thing again'
FG and Lab will carry on and on and on and on... until the fat lady sings and the cows come home.
SwK
 

drummed

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If they did fall in the morning who can we put in FF, there still on remand as far as i am concerned,
Don't get carried away. You don't want to start a trend whereby posters calling for mass executions have to explain what we do after the gunfire dies down. We don't think in those sort of long term ways around here. Its instant reaction and to hell with tomorrow with us.
 

flavirostris

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Not a hope in hell that Labour would face an election now for any reason..
 

EmmettTCorcoran

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The government is too large and winding, with too much invested on both ends, so it ain't going anywhere soon.
 

drummed

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Is the trend for starting goverment in crisis threads now in crisis?
 

Barroso

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Not a hope in hell that Labour would face an election now for any reason..
Agreed. They're on something like 10% in the polls, 5 TDs have left the parliamentary party (or is it 6? I'm never too sure just what Willie Penrose's position is at any given time)
 

Hand of Abbadon

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Two major issues have hit the government over the past 24 hours - the refusal to apologise for the Magdalene laundries and the emerging farce of the on-off P-Note deal. Could the confluence of events bring down the government?

We already knew that the Labour party is very unhappy over the refusal of the Taoiseach to make a clear apology to the women enslaved in the Magdalene laundries by the State. Whether this in itself would be enough to bring down the government is unlikely, although one remembers Albert Reyolds' observation that "it's the little things that trip you up".

But tonight we are learning that the supposed deal between the ECB and the government over the Anglo promissory notes is not agreed. This is far from the first time that the government have hyped up a supposed breakthrough, before having to back down. The Labour party have made clear recently that this a major issue for them, with Gilmore threatening a coalition collapse if a deal is not secured. If the government is not able to convince the ECB over the next 24 hours to accept their proposal, will Labour say "enough is enough" and pull the plug?
It is all very dramatic now but all we will get,at best, is a longer period of time to pay. But make no mistake we will have to pay in full,interest included. Kenny & Gilmore are more treachorous than the FFrs before them
 

anationoceagain

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It is all very dramatic now but all we will get,at best, is a longer period of time to pay. But make no mistake we will have to pay in full,interest included. Kenny & Gilmore are more treachorous than the FFrs before them
Every day the folly of Labour going into government becomes more apparent...
 

Ribeye

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Screw the govt, they've gone completely rogue,

Anyone else feelin a bit revolutionary?
 

drummed

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Now we have a crisis. The site is slowing down to the point of crashing constantly.
 

venusian

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Not a hope in hell that Labour would face an election now for any reason..
Not until the Senior Dictatorship in "labour" have their pensions in their pockets! They don't give a flying V about destroying their own TD's chances in (never mind the next!) in any election!!!
 

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