Government "justified" in raising price of diesel?

Disillusioned democrat

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This caught my attention yesterday but I didn't have time to follow up here until now.

It's a fairly innocuous headline, but demonstrates the real sociopathic and smug nature of our politicians and their agencies.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0222/942595-esri_diesel_duty/

So basically they've come up with a little wheeze to "raise revenue" and reduce our emission of harmful gases - great!!!

But, basically it's a money making racket and really just more tax. It's hilarious to hear some spoofer happily saying this is an easy decision...but basically it means already over taxed working commuters who were duped into buy diesel because a previous government decided it was more environmentally friendly a decade ago will now have to pay another €500m in tax.

To earn enough to pay that additional €500m in tax they'll have to do about €1bn work, so for this work the government will effectively, at a stroke of a pen, be charging 75% tax.

So for the smug git in the ESRI who thinks it's justified and an easy decision - just remember that it'll cost real people €1bn to move the emissions dial down 4% while the government do phuck all else on climate change.
 


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For me the defining moment of the week was when it was announced that the state had funded a cinema that could not possibly have any commercial hope of success, to compete against other forms of entertainment that were taxed to the hilt, in Galway city.

So that well connected snobs could have somewhere to socialise and meet one another.

I mean if they built apartments they would have done something useful to the general public.

In the age of Netflix, and youtube can people who want art-house films not pay for them, themselves, rather than lobby to have a building in an expensive part of Galway city, which will be empty for 90% of the duration of a week ?

This is simply madness.

Apparently this was parity of esteem, because Dublin already has a bigger more expensive similarly appointed facility. And Galway needed one too. To feel just as important. Thankfully, whenever Gawlay wants something that Dublin or Cork already have, it costs a fraction of the outlay.

But......it is still waste.



Then we had Leo the Useless, the Luas, O'Connell Bridge and the various quangos.


THEY DO NOT RESPECT THE PEOPLE'S MONEY.
 

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Punishing owner's for the deception of the industry.
 

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Punishing owner's for the deception of the industry.
In terms of diesel, the 2007 government pretty much gave it a big thumbs up by making the differentiation.

There was a lot of hype about efficiency and positive impacts on the environment

Like a lot of things - we pay a lot of tax for the government to buy a lot of advice and employ a lot of regulators who then do nothing - you can't blame the car industry for trying to sell cars, but you have to blame the environmental agencies for not seeing thru their spoof.
 

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I'm beginning to see why democracy is failing miserably in Ireland.

Post about the salacious details of a alleged gang rape in a foreign court room and you're guaranteed 350 posts a day with opinions on every aspect of something we can't really control.

Post about our government pulling the wool over tax payers eyes - hiding behind the ESRI and basically talking about taking €1bn in gross income out of the economy and taxing people at 75% on it to exploit a situation a previous government caused a decade earlier and a few heads join in, but that's it.
 

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I'm beginning to see why democracy is failing miserably in Ireland.

Post about the salacious details of a alleged gang rape in a foreign court room and you're guaranteed 350 posts a day with opinions on every aspect of something we can't really control.

Post about our government pulling the wool over tax payers eyes - hiding behind the ESRI and basically talking about taking €1bn in gross income out of the economy and taxing people at 75% on it to exploit a situation a previous government caused a decade earlier and a few heads join in, but that's it.
I think there was a post yesterday about it.

I commented that you would be a bit annoyed if you had bought a diesel model.

Surely though with all the shortcomings the extra Revenue could be used for water infrastructure, A&E trolley crisis or New Social Housing.

Do you see positives in anything :)
 

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"State power" and "government" is the ultimate racket.
 

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'Gubbermint is be sh1t' thread by Disilluusioned Democrat. A Water hole for malcontents.

Fantastic.
 

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I think there was a post yesterday about it.

I commented that you would be a bit annoyed if you had bought a diesel model.

Surely though with all the shortcomings the extra Revenue could be used for water infrastructure, A&E trolley crisis or New Social Housing.

Do you see positives in anything :)
Ironically I thought Irish Water and water charges were a great idea...up to Hogan appointing serial tax waster Tierney as CEO and the rest is history.

I'd love to see more positives in Irish governance but it just always seems to be so kack handed, so amateurish and venal.
 

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I think there was a post yesterday about it.

I commented that you would be a bit annoyed if you had bought a diesel model.

Surely though with all the shortcomings the extra Revenue could be used for water infrastructure, A&E trolley crisis or New Social Housing.

Do you see positives in anything :)
Shur in a short few years we will all be forced to drive ELECTRIC CARS with all sales of Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid cars being stopped after 2030. Once that happens .. where will that extra revenue come from then? No more excise on petrol, diesel? What will replace that?
 

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Tough sh1t, owning a car is an expensive business, no one was forced to buy a 3 litre diesel, most folks are satisfied with a used 1.6 litre or smaller petrol car.
 

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Shur in a short few years we will all be forced to drive ELECTRIC CARS with all sales of Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid cars being stopped after 2030. Once that happens .. where will that extra revenue come from then? No more excise on petrol, diesel? What will replace that?
Electricity charges and levies of course.
 

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For me the defining moment of the week was when it was announced that the state had funded a cinema that could not possibly have any commercial hope of success, to compete against other forms of entertainment that were taxed to the hilt, in Galway city.
Galway's controversial €8.4m 'world class' cinema to open this week

It cost the State €8.4 million in public funding, which is €2.2m over the initial expected outlay of €6.3m.
Ah but shur the gov are spreading the love :D .. The non-Event centre in Cork City is going ahead. Thats state funded too, big time.

Deal agreed for stalled €73m Cork events centre

Two years to the day since the sod-turning ceremony, and amid ongoing concerns about chronic delays and soaring costs, the Irish Examiner has learned that a deal has been agreed, in principle, to bridge the funding gap. The breakthrough will see:

- The State pump an extra €10m, on top of the €20m it pledged three years ago, into the construction of the 6,000-capacity venue;
- An announcement, within days, of a state investment package, which could be worth up to €10m, in a range of supporting public infrastructure around the former Beamish and Crawford brewery site;
- A significant increase in private funding from developers BAM and the venue’s proposed operators, Live Nation, which could also be worth another €10m.
So Cork gets €30 million from the state for Concert venue. Galway is surely being short changed :D
 

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'Gubbermint is be sh1t' thread by Disilluusioned Democrat. A Water hole for malcontents.
Alright, try a government is great thread. How long will will it last ?

Will it be as effective as the Luas parked on O'Connell Bridge ?
 

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Tough sh1t, owning a car is an expensive business, no one was forced to buy a 3 litre diesel, most folks are satisfied with a used 1.6 litre or smaller petrol car.
It's depressing to see yet another thread become a "them and us" one.

This isn't about who drives a big or small car - it's about the government listening to the ESRI telling them soothingly that it's "justified" to take €1bn out of tax payers money and the domestic economy to reduce NOx emissions.

There's no consideration of the impact on the domestic economy - how many jobs will be lost, how many people won;t be able to afford to drive to work, how many people will be forced into even more miserable commutes, etc.

As someone pointed out, above, there'll be no more new diesel cars from 12 years time, so the added €500m tax now to tinker with the emission levels in the meantime is just a smokescreen to raise more taxes.
 

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Tax is a scam, it's theft under a different name in this country.

Think about it, even from a car tax perspective look at the changes introduced in 2008 where the state screwed people over to fuel the motor industry, forcing people with lower emmiaion vehicles to pay more road tax or fork out tens of thousands of euro for a new vehicle.

2007 vw Passat cost about 800 to tax, new 2007 vw Passat cost about half that to tax.

That's highway robbery, it's manipulation of the political system to feed the motor industry.

Look at the pension fiasco, where the government encourage people to save for retirement because we have aloomong pension crises, and then they conveniently dip their hand in and seize part of your private pension fund, severely impacting your future retirement fund.

I'd they are in any way interested in donating ng something constructive, abolsh road tax, and levy fuel
 

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Shur in a short few years we will all be forced to drive ELECTRIC CARS with all sales of Petrol, Diesel, Hybrid cars being stopped after 2030. Once that happens .. where will that extra revenue come from then? No more excise on petrol, diesel? What will replace that?
Dont worry they will find something or change rates.

Dont stress. Its 12 years away :)
 

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It's depressing to see yet another thread become a "them and us" one.

This isn't about who drives a big or small car - it's about the government listening to the ESRI telling them soothingly that it's "justified" to take €1bn out of tax payers money and the domestic economy to reduce NOx emissions.

There's no consideration of the impact on the domestic economy - how many jobs will be lost, how many people won;t be able to afford to drive to work, how many people will be forced into even more miserable commutes, etc.

As someone pointed out, above, there'll be no more new diesel cars from 12 years time, so the added €500m tax now to tinker with the emission levels in the meantime is just a smokescreen to raise more taxes.
You have to laugh.

When the ESRI says something that suits the doomster agenda the doomsters accuse the Government of not listening to them :)
 


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