Government needs a major whistleblower.

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What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time. Imagine this guy could not live with guilt of being complicit by having done nothing about it though he himself had gained nothing. A feisty oulfella but not too old, who simply could not stand to see the people of the country he loves being so untrustworthy of our politicians and their every utterance and action. Someone to sort the whole thing out for once and for all.

None of these tribunals (smokescreens) - no leaks, no rumours just the first we all hear about it is: 'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land?
 


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Kev408 said:
What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time. Imagine this guy could not live with guilt of being complicit by having done nothing about it though he himself had gained nothing. A feisty oulfella but not too old, who simply could not stand to see the people of the country he loves being so untrustworthy of our politicians and their every utterance and action. Someone to sort the whole thing out for once and for all.

None of these tribunals (smokescreens) - no leaks, no rumours just the first we all hear about it is: 'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land.
weak opposition party's won't bury the hatchet in the event they might have a chance of sharing power in a new government, unfortunetaly high ranking civil servants are complicit in the shameful politics of to day, they are either bench marked in to compliance by bonuses or appointed to state boards to be yes men.
 

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Nice to see whistle-blower laws being enacted. We can still only wait and hope.
 

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'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land?
Fantasy for sure. If only there was an island were these kind of dreams came true.

 

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What if someone came forward saying the government were really lizards? ZOMG!!!! Cowen et al aren't corrupt, they're just idiotic. Like the OP.
 

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What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time. Imagine this guy could not live with guilt of being complicit by having done nothing about it though he himself had gained nothing. A feisty oulfella but not too old, who simply could not stand to see the people of the country he loves being so untrustworthy of our politicians and their every utterance and action. Someone to sort the whole thing out for once and for all.

None of these tribunals (smokescreens) - no leaks, no rumours just the first we all hear about it is: 'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land?
Best and maybe only way to ensure this would be for FG to embrace the attitude that is very common among thinking, intelligent voters - i.e. treat FF as (without saying the actual words) an ongoing criminal conspiracy.

If FG announced that, if & when in government, they'll launch a root and branch examination of decisions made since '97 which financially benefitted FF supporters/financial backers - with particular emphasis on the civil servants who implemented the weirder, less explicable ones, with a view to charging same as co-conspiratorsin any resulting prosecutions - then some canaries might find their voices.
 

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im amazed more dirt hasnt come out from disgruntled developers who must have loads of info on brown envelopes etc or bankers or backbenchers facing losing seats or civil servants and gardai who must have witnessed a lot of shennanigans. They all stick together i suppose and dont rock the boat for the sake of themselves, their families and their friends and they would probably be labbelled rats or informers by many in this society.
 

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im amazed more dirt hasnt come out from disgruntled developers who must have loads of info on brown envelopes etc or bankers or backbenchers facing losing seats or civil servants and gardai who must have witnessed a lot of shennanigans. They all stick together i suppose and dont rock the boat for the sake of themselves, their families and their friends and they would probably be labbelled rats or informers by many in this society.

Knowing and involvement is one thing, but being able to prove and do damage is another order of difficulty.

As a society we under value true whistle blowers, the people who through acts of conscience set aside personal careers to reveal what they regard as unacceptable behaviour. It is difficult to know how that can be encouraged and yet balanced with the need for confidentiality that must exist in any contract or in any employment. Really difficult ethical area, but fair to say the established conventions are abused consistently by the unethical and that has to change.
 

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What if someone came forward saying the government were really lizards? ZOMG!!!! Cowen et al aren't corrupt, they're just idiotic. Like the OP.
Cowen et al are not corrupt????? From what planet are you posting from?? FF and all in it are hopelessly corrupt and have been for decades. Corruption is their raison d'etre!!! THey are so corrupt, they should be made a proscribed organisation and membership of FF should be a criminal offence. They are the pondlife who have destroyed this country through their manifest corruption. Shooting is too good for them.
 
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Cowen et al are not corrupt????? From what planet are you posting from?? FF and all in it are hopelessly corrupt and have been for decades. Corruption is their raison d'etre!!! THey are so corrupt, they should be made a proscribed organisation and membership of FF should be a criminal offence. They are the pondlife who have destroyed this country through their manifest corruption. Shooting is too good for them.
Always nice for the Swiss represantative to talk of corruption.

How is the Nazi Gold looking.
 

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What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time.
Whistle-blowers are seen internationally as an important weapon in the fight against corruption and corporate crime. ........While the health service, the Garda and other some other sectors already have whistle-blower legislation, the Civil Service is not yet covered.

That is why it will never happen here :-(

Pursuing the pinstriped pickpockets - The Irish Times - Sat, May 22, 2010
 

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What if someone came forward saying the government were really lizards? ZOMG!!!! Cowen et al aren't corrupt, they're just idiotic. Like the OP.
Idiotic, eh?
 

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What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time. Imagine this guy could not live with guilt of being complicit by having done nothing about it though he himself had gained nothing. A feisty oulfella but not too old, who simply could not stand to see the people of the country he loves being so untrustworthy of our politicians and their every utterance and action. Someone to sort the whole thing out for once and for all.

None of these tribunals (smokescreens) - no leaks, no rumours just the first we all hear about it is: 'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land?
The more whistleblowers the better for the country. Not sure we will see the arrests any time soon though,as a result of the latest leaks.
 

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What I'd love to see happen is for a whistle-blower to expose as much of the corruption as he/she possibly can. Say a high-level civil servant who has documents, proof, recordings and all sorts of things over a long period of time. Imagine this guy could not live with guilt of being complicit by having done nothing about it though he himself had gained nothing. A feisty oulfella but not too old, who simply could not stand to see the people of the country he loves being so untrustworthy of our politicians and their every utterance and action. Someone to sort the whole thing out for once and for all.

None of these tribunals (smokescreens) - no leaks, no rumours just the first we all hear about it is: 'In a series of early morning raids today the Gardai arrested 5, 10, 50 whatever of the countries leading politicians in a major corruption investigation. Immediate Gardai involvement, arrests and charges made. Fantasy land?
you do realise that many of our problems are the constructs of civil servants?
 

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you do realise that many of our problems are the constructs of civil servants?
You do understand what a whistleblower is?

Thesaurus Legend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. whistleblower - an informant who exposes wrongdoing within an organization in the hope of stopping it;



I was suggesting that a decent whistleblower could be a high-ranking civil servant. Someone with access to both the ministers and his colleagues who advise the ministers. Ye know... A whistleblower!
 

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What could a ‘whistle-blower’ possibly tell us that you/we don’t already know? Eh…That the governance, yes that includes the dubious 'civil service' talk about a contradiction in terms, are self-seeking troupe of cronies, inept as they are devious and stupid, lickspittles who would melt their grandmothers down for glue not just for money but the kudos that warms their ego’s, marinated as it is in a warm bath of unfounded conceit…there now was that whistle blown loud enough for you ? And then wonder who elected them while you’re at it…eh.
 

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What could a ‘whistle-blower’ possibly tell us that you/we don’t already know? Eh…That the governance are self-seeking troupe of cronies, inept as they are devious and stupid, lickspittles who would melt their grandmothers down for glue not just for money but the kudos that warms their ego’s, marinated as it is in a warm bath of unfounded conceit….there now was that whistle blown loud enough for you ? And then wonder who elected them while you’re at it…eh.
Bear in mind this thread was started years ago. What you did above was tell us something we all know - that is not the purpose of a whistleblower. I thought everyone on a political website would know what a whistleblower is.
 

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Just for clarification, from whistleblower.org


"An employee who discloses information that s/he reasonably believes is evidence of illegality, gross waste or fraud, mismanagement, abuse of power, general wrongdoing, or a substantial and specific danger to public health and safety. Typically, whistleblowers speak out to parties that can influence and rectify the situation. These parties include the media, organizational managers, hotlines, or Congressional members/staff, to name a few."

In Ireland's case a whistleblower can go to his bosses or the media or the Gardai. Indeed, a whistleblower can be any of the above. A whistleblower can help stop the undesired activities or the corruption we all know about - and lead to criminal charges.

Jeez..
 

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In the commercial world, there is legislation called the Sarbannes Oxley Act.

The legislation which was enacted for all listed American companies both home and abroad, and any foreign company listed on the American stock indicies (DOW, NASDAQ...).

This piece of legislation was enacted after the ENRON, Worldcom, Tyco controversies where companies deliberately manipulated their financial reports to deliberately understate the extent of their liabilities to the public and to the stock markets and other regulatory authorities.
Sarbannes Oxley is a huge multilayered piece of compliance legislation with many facets to ensure financial and operational compliance.

Under Sarbannes Oxley legislation compliant companies are required to have a whistle blower facility meaning that if an employee is aware of some wrongdoing that an employee can contact a confidential source who is obliged to follow up each and every call without any fear of retribution for making a complaint.

If a whistle blowers charter is good enough for the private sector.....................

Separately Anglo Irish Bank was listed on the American markets (DOW), who signed off it's Sarbannes Oxley compliance?
 

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Bear in mind this thread was started years ago. What you did above was tell us something we all know - that is not the purpose of a whistleblower. I thought everyone on a political website would know what a whistleblower is.
I'm well aware of when the thread started and couldn't help smiling at your lack of sense, you are blundering around there making an eejit of yourself every post you give, we need some people like you in life and on Forums an almost intelligent creature who takes himself very serious indeed,only a matter of time before we have a sensation on our hands.eh... Chuckle.
 


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