Government signals end of line for Metro North

acme

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bit like Dustin the Turkeys election promise, Dart to Dingle
 


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It will not be a rebrand but a full upgrade. I have been told it is possible but that it won't be considered till mid-2020s or beyond and not before rest of system is completed and operational.

It does not pose an engineering problem but will require sufficient demand, political will and funding. Most stops would be lengthened with 100m platforms and a number which are too close to others would be eliminated.
 

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your below argument is entirely based on airport traffic, the airport is but one stop on the network
I'm not just looking at the airport.Why should someone living in Swords arriving at Heuston have to travel by light rail when in most other European cities regional mainline rail and thus a mainline station can be found in all parts of a the city.In Dublin's case there is no way of going between the 2 main stations bar taking a bus or tram.Even with DU this issue will not be resolved.



yes there is a significant gap in the network between tallaght and Dundrum, this can be fixed by a future extension of the metro from stephen's green to rathfarnam via rathmines harolds X etc.
Questionmark over that going ahead



people wishing to access the airport from tallaght should use metro west.
Questionmark over that going ahead
from crumlin, you could just walk to harold's X and get a 16a, or if the metro were extended to rathfarnam, use that.
Walk from Crumlin to Harolds X/Rathfarnham? :shock:


MN won't effect the health budget, MN will only neet €200m in pre construction works, and will not have a net cost to the state until 2020ish
Tell that to Joe Bloggs,he doesn't know or care.To him it's coming from the same pot.Politicans won't risk votes trying to convince him otherwise.


what's not comprehensive about it? it seems simple enough to me, alot less complicated than London's district and northern lines
London has atrocious public transport compared to the continent.DU makes sense,although I'd like to see a central crossing station.
 

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I have talked to people involved in long-term urban and transportation planning for Dublin and discussed these matters. Have you?
This is all we hear from you GJ when somebody questions MN/DU,you know best.What makes you think things will be different this time with regards to public transport provision in Ireland?
 

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Dublin is a spent force, a reminder of how not to do things . Its position as a capital city really should be reconsidered. Galway should really be where any investment is centred from now on. Belfast will overtake Dublin as the main entry point to the country in a few years so just let the place crumble back into the sea.
 

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I'm not just looking at the airport.Why should someone living in Swords arriving at Heuston have to travel by light rail when in most other European cities regional mainline rail and thus a mainline station can be found in all parts of a the city.In Dublin's case there is no way of going between the 2 main stations bar taking a bus or tram.Even with DU this issue will not be resolved.
Many cities have more than one mainline station just like Dublin. Prague and Budapest are examples - and their main line stations are connected to the network by Metro lines. In fact, Budapest is currently building its 4th Metro line to directly link two mainline rail stations to join them to the rest of the network. Dublin was given its current rail lines and stations by the British more than a century ago.

Metro and Dart Underground are how we will link them into a system along with the airport and other transport nodes. We are doing it through a combination of upgrading existing lines and building new infrastructure (MN & DU) which is best international practice. These plans were not drawn up on the back of a fag packet in pub after a night on the beer. They came from detailed study of similar systems in similar cities and consultations with international experts. How come you are against spending on Metro and Dart but want to invest tens of billions in fantasy new lines linking Belfast and Cork to Heuston and the Airport?


Questionmark over that going ahead
Questionmark over that going ahead
Metro West railway order application is with An Bord Pleanala now - it was submitted two weeks ago. It will go ahead once construction of Metro North is well advanced. The RPA plan is to begin work in 2015 for completion in 2019. The application is for an order with a 15-year lifespan, ie allowing construction to begin any time up until late-2026.

The Metro line through Harold's Cross and Terenure/Templeogue to Tallaght won't be considered until MN and MW are complete. But it is a long-term plan - just like the Green line Metro upgrade.

Planning is still being done on all Metro/Luas lines - decisions to proceed will fall future governments.

Once Metro and Dart are built there will be demand across the city for more lines - just as there was when Luas was built.

Walk from Crumlin to Harolds X/Rathfarnham? :shock:
18 bus to HX then 16 bus to Rathfarnham. But going to Stephen's Green or O'Connell St on buses to catch Metro will be quicker.

Tell that to Joe Bloggs,he doesn't know or care.To him it's coming from the same pot.Politicans won't risk votes trying to convince him otherwise.
Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. Metro and Dart will create around 10,000 construction jobs and many thousands more support and spin-off jobs. Tell the thousands of families of unemployed construction workers across Dublin banking that both projects will go ahead that they should be cancelled. Many tens of thousands of jobs will be created along the lines when they are operational. The prediction is 37,000 alone in the Ballymyn-Airport-Swords corridor. All those jobs will cut the welfare bill and pump hundreds of millions a year into the State coffers through taxes - thus lessening the need for cuts to health and education and pensions and othe welfare benefits.

DU makes sense,although I'd like to see a central crossing station.
The Dart lines cross at Pearse. It's in the city centre, it's three mins walk from College Green and five minutes from Grafton Street, O'Connell Street and the south quays and five mins from Merrion Square and about 7 or 8 mins from Stephen's Green. How much more central do you want?
 

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At last some common sense!

read the full article here.
Yes of course.
Makes great sense to force most of north Dublin into perpetual car dependence with empty buses trundling along heavily congested old roads (which incredibly, still manage to take 1 hour to do an 8 mile trip).
Makes great sense to force the vast majority of airport bound folk onto private road transport.

Crazy thing is that a rail link to a main airport tends generally to demand enough passengers to pay its own way, and that congestion costs money too.

I returned to Swords after 8 years down the country and am shocked to see a level of car dependence normal to a country town, and the buses even at peak hours, are rarely more than 60% full. If it wasn't for the (private) express bus most people simply would have no choice but to drive and pay for parking if they don't have it, or face 3-4 hour per day commutes to the city or south/west Dublin.

Cancelling would be an easy short term saving, but would come at an opportunity cost since it would reduce congestion and ignore its likelihood of paying its own way fairly quickly. The airport link alone makes the project more likely to break even.
 

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How many people are really going to spend 55 mins between Tallaght and the city centre on the Luas before changing for MN?Is someone from Crumlin going to wait on a bus that runs once an hour to go to Dundrum to change for Metro/Greenline to the airport when it they can drive it or get a lift it 20mins with the M50?
20 minutes would be possible off peak from Tallaght, but not from Dundrum or Sandyford.
Plus factor in cost of tolls, parking, etc.
Most people would be only too delighted to have a public transport option at a cheap price rather than pay 30+ euro for a taxi or 70-100 a week to park.

Factor in also that it enables commuting to the airport and Airside/Seatown which is currently extremely difficult, even for those living on direct bus routes.
 

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No there won't - the tunnel will be continued to a point where it can meet the existing line and seemlessly join it. There are options along the line. Beyond Beechwood was mentioned before and then there is the Alexandra College car park and pitches which would offer sufficient space for a tunnel to surface and join the existing line.

It will not be a rebrand but a full upgrade. I have been told it is possible but that it won't be considered till mid-2020s or beyond and not before rest of system is completed and operational.

It does not pose an engineering problem but will require sufficient demand, political will and funding. Most stops would be lengthened with 100m platforms and a number which are too close to others would be eliminated.
I would prefer to extend the metro southwards to rathfarnam via rathmines and harold's X because that would add more pasangers to the network that presently have no rail service. extending it to beechwood would be a duplication of service
 

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Dublin is a spent force, a reminder of how not to do things . Its position as a capital city really should be reconsidered. Galway should really be where any investment is centred from now on.
oh please stfu. Galway is a provincial town. Money should be spent on infrastructure where people will use it not in the wilderness.

charley;3118555 Belfast will overtake Dublin as the main entry point to the country in a few years so just let the place crumble back into the sea.[/QUOTE said:
err what? Belfast, and Northern Ireland in general is not part of our jurisdiction and it is also years behind the republic in terms of infrastructure, get a grip man.
 


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