Government's Climate Action Plan

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Yeh, I think the idea is you impoverish yourself first and then...see what happens.

Hopefully it'll all work out 🤔

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UK makes only 1% of the world's emissions.

=> No matter how much we impoverish ourselves, or tax ourselves or freeze ourselves or worship at the shrine of St Greta we can only alter a maximum of 1% of climate change.

And China, India, Russia are increasing theirs. Latimer Alder on Twitter
 


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Council EPA and windfarms in each others pockets.. do not care about the damage that AM infrasound and low frequencies can do to people and families.. very sad that we have to carry out our own investigation.. Council withholding information.
 

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The problem is, if everyone was to do that the world's forests would be cut down in no time and people would die in their millions for lack of heat, transport, energy and much more besides.

Our societies cannot function without fossil fuels, that is the reality.
You have to think of trees being just a crop. Separate to any nature reserve forests, and the Amazon etc..
I plant more trees than I cut down.
At the moment society can't function without fossil fuels, but it can gradually be weaned off them.
 

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You have to think of trees being just a crop. Separate to any nature reserve forests, and the Amazon etc..
I plant more trees than I cut down.
At the moment society can't function without fossil fuels, but it can gradually be weaned off them.
That's fair enough, I've no problem with long term 'weaning off' and I don't think most will.

So long as we don't get hit with extra taxes for things that are far from proven but gov has little problem implementing because any excuse to tax is a good excuse.
 

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Well that's an unusual take on the state of the Haiti/-Dominican border.
Sadly, though its based on a false premise. DR is signed up to the UN accord.

Haiti is a shithole populated by French speaking negroids who are dependent on foreign aid and believe in voodoo, whereas DR is mainly populated by reasonably hard working Spanish speaking latinos, but I'm sure none of that is relevant to the tree situation either.

BTW those idiots in Haiti have even managed to do environmental damage to our country with their scams...
Little has been reported about the ship’s activities at this time. One marine source, however, remarks that its ambitious voyage from Greece to Haiti – a distance of almost 5,000 nautical miles – was not in keeping with its size and design.
 

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There ya go, one minute we're happy to go bankrupt to "save the planet".

Happy to bio-engineer the whole darned shoot from sea to shining sea.

Along come a virus, not even a living thing, and suddenly it is bio-engineering us.
 

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Great piece in the Irish Times today by Fintan O'Toole comparing and contrasting Ireland & Scotland in relation to climate change action
Lack of leadership and failure to confront vested interests in Ireland
The only times emissions have dropped is after an economic disaster
Talk of failing to pick low hanging apples - better planning - good public transport would go a long way

 

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Lack of leadership and failure to confront vested interests in Ireland
Vested interests is a nice meaningless phrase - farmers have a vested interest in selling cattle, construction workers have a vested interest in buildings, journalists have a vested interest in property porn.
 

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Vested interests is a nice meaningless phrase - farmers have a vested interest in selling cattle, construction workers have a vested interest in buildings, journalists have a vested interest in property porn.

Plus plenty of vested interests when it comes to wind developers etc. and their ability to tap endless subsidies
 

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Eh, normally vested interests means maintaining the status quo

But if you channel your inner Trump you can interpret it as you wish
 

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Eh, normally vested interests means maintaining the status quo

But if you channel your inner Trump you can interpret it as you wish
Yeah the status quo is massive subsidies to wind farms
 

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Wind energy provided an historic 47% of our energy in Q1 2020. The connection of 4 new windfarms might be a factor.

Gives the lie to the traditional argument against wind energy about the wind not always blowing. In fact off the west coast it pretty much always does.

 

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Wind energy provided an historic 47% of our energy in Q1 2020. The connection of 4 new windfarms might be a factor.

Gives the lie to the traditional argument against wind energy about the wind not always blowing. In fact off the west coast it pretty much always does.

Utterly misleading given the likes of the IWEA never include the back up needed even when the wind is blowing - the stats for the second quarter will look very different in any case, underling the unreliability of wind. Not to mention the rising cost of power in this country off the back of lining the pockets of the industry

 

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Sunday Times today on replacing our 2.7m petrol/diesel cars by 2030...

Same number of e-cars will need 37,000 tons of lithium.

Annual production of lithium is 90,000 tons. The rest of the world won't mind us getting first dibs on that 1/3 of the world's annual production, will they?

Govt take on petrol (more than half) comes to 4 Bn a year... plus 1.1 Bn on sales of cars and fuels - that 5.1 Bn will vanish.

Nothing to replace it except to increase carbon tax to 100/ton on your granny's bag of coal.

As for me with a few trees burning timber in a stove.... no problem, no tax, as it is "renewable" (but over 150 years!).
 

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Sunday Times today on replacing our 2.7m petrol/diesel cars by 2030...
The plan is to ban registering new IC cars, not replace the existing stock. Its a daft plan, no need to exaggerate.
 

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The plan is to ban registering new IC cars, not replace the existing stock. Its a daft plan, no need to exaggerate.
Sale and importation, yes. In which case a lot of IC cars are still going to be on the road until 2040, so why bother?

Why make it such an expensive option? I totally get that e-cars are nicer for cities, but my neighbours down the sticks can't afford them.

They are still on the diesel car that Eamon Ryan said was such a good alternative back in the 2000s. Now he's back in power with a new ideal solution.

As a small island we need all the options we can get, and not shut off this or that option because of some dogma. It's like bending to the churches and their cockamamy ideas in the past to the exclusion of all others... lots of us used to think for centuries that the spud was the one perfect ideal food and then....
 

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Sale and importation, yes. In which case a lot of IC cars are still going to be on the road until 2040, so why bother?

Why make it such an expensive option? I totally get that e-cars are nicer for cities, but my neighbours down the sticks can't afford them.
Its a daft idea, there won't be mass production of electric cars until there is a breakthrough in battery technology. Given the current range of a battery, if an electric car serves your driving needs, you really don't need to drive.
 


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