Government's Climate Action Plan

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@pwrhungry wrote a book and a series of articles documenting this. Probably he can share some links.
I know one fact: the number of communities banning wind turbines is way larger than the number of communities banning fracking.
 


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If it's not their field it is debatable.

A scientist and a historian are academics, a plumber is not.
If you want to play word games, academics work in universities, most scientists don't. (I'm only guessing that there are more scientists in industry, government ect than working as academics).
 

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If you want to play word games, academics work in universities, most scientists don't.
Without academics, scientific progress would slow. Scientists who work in industry tend to have specific roles whereas those in universities are free to explore what interests them. I would have more belief in govt climate change plans if their committee was headed by a scientist of any discipline rather than a well connected economist.
 

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Without academics, scientific progress would slow. Scientists who work in industry tend to have specific roles whereas those in universities are free to explore what interests them. I would have more belief in govt climate change plans if their committee was headed by a scientist of any discipline rather than a well connected economist.
Couldn't agree more.
 

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Scientists who work in industry tend to have specific roles whereas those in universities are free to explore what interests them
Perhaps. But the failure rate of a discovery is generally increasing if it gets past a successful lab trial. Piloting, demonstration scale and small scale production generally knock out most technologies and advances.

Scientists discover but engineering makes it applicaple. That is the problem with climate change plans around the world. Germany has proven that a solar wind plan is less effective than other options. But a scientist will say it works as it has been deployed but An engineer will say it doesn't as emission reduction has been pitiful. The former lacks the reality of application. You need both.
 

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Scientists are better able to understand the scientific basis of the work of other scientists. Historians study the past, they analyse documents from the past to try and put events in the context of their time, occasionally they discover something that changes our view of the past but its hard to see how a historian can analyse something which hasn't happened yet.

Well unless it's a Marxist historian. They wouldn't hesitate to analyse things that couldn't possibly happen.
 

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Historians study the past, they analyse documents from the past to try and put events in the context of their time, occasionally they discover something that changes our view of the past but its hard to see how a historian can analyse something which hasn't happened yet.

That's the fun and games of counterfactuals, innit.


 

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A warm planet is much more conducive to life on Earth than a cold one...97%? Of those surveyed who gave an answer only 1% believe agw will be dangerous to life on Earth.

 
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FG Climate plan:

 

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FG are very much in favour of this prospect. Is it because it will suppress wages and increase asset values? Why don't we have a national debate instead of accepting this will just 'happen'. What about integration? how many ghettos will be formed?
 

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BREAKING: The Federal Circuit Court has handed down its decision in relation to damages in the #PeterRidd case.

Peter will receive $1,094,214.47 as compensation for loss, plus an additional $125,000 by way of pecuniary penalties from James Cook University.

More to come.
 

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BREAKING: The Federal Circuit Court has handed down its decision in relation to damages in the #PeterRidd case.

Peter will receive $1,094,214.47 as compensation for loss, plus an additional $125,000 by way of pecuniary penalties from James Cook University.

More to come.
From the article:

The case has been repeatedly framed in media reports as one about academic freedom, or about the validity of the minority and controversial views held by Ridd about climate change and the health of the Great Barrier Reef.

Vasta made clear in his judgment in April those matters were not on trial.

“Some have thought that this trial was about freedom of speech and intellectual freedom,” he said. “Media reports have considered that this trial was about silencing persons with controversial or unpopular views.

“Rather, this trial was purely and simply about the proper construction of a clause in an enterprise agreement.”
 

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No doubt the case centres around the legal issue regarding contracts but when a state institution shut down an expert who is not reading from their state funded hymnsheet...most people recognise just what is actually afoot.
 

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Despite the judge’s earlier comments that it was not, Ridd said in a statement that the case “was always about academic freedom”.

“If JCU appeals it casts doubt that academic freedom is part of their DNA as they often insist,” Ridd said.
 

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So blaming the queensland farmers is now mainstream? Last year they were off the hook and the fault was "global warming".

Or those starfish.
 

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Astrophysicist Aurélien Barrau, 2018: Man is a nuisance to nature, incapable of reasoning on a “collective scale". "Therefore, we need concrete, coercive, unpopular political measures that oppose our individual liberties".

Totalitarianism masquerading as environmentalism.
 

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this is lol

"Climate experts believe the next ice age is on its way." - Leonard Nimoy, 1978

 


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