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Government's mean spirited treatment of applications for citizenship and visas


patslatt

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On Newstalk Radio's Global Village today,a solicitor who specialises in immigration said that applications for citizenship can take as long as four years to process and that applications have been turned down for trivial driving offences,disrupting the entire lives of the applicants.

As well,the government seems to regard student visas as a nice little earner,charging hundreds of euros for too frequent renewals according to an acquaintance who teaches ESL,English as a second language. Those fees amount to more than a month's wages in the home countries of many students,a point that wouldn't occur to our overpaid civil servants and politicians.
 

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On Newstalk Radio's Global Village today,a solicitor who specialises in immigration said that applications for citizenship can take as long as four years to process and that applications have been turned down for trivial driving offences,disrupting the entire lives of the applicants.

As well,the government seems to regard student visas as a nice little earner,charging hundreds of euros for too frequent renewals according to an acquaintance who teaches ESL,English as a second language. Those fees amount to more than a month's wages in the home countries of many students,a point that wouldn't occur to our overpaid civil servants and politicians.
Why do you think student visas are issued? It is to bring in revenue, if you're worried about educating the poor in the 3rd world, join the missions:lol:
 

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Why do you think student visas are issued? It is to bring in revenue, if you're worried about educating the poor in the 3rd world, join the missions:lol:
They are issued as proof of the right to study here. A charge to cover admin costs would be tolerable but not the shameless price gouging of many poor third world students.
 

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On Newstalk Radio's Global Village today,a solicitor who specialises in immigration said that applications for citizenship can take as long as four years to process and that applications have been turned down for trivial driving offences,disrupting the entire lives of the applicants.

As well,the government seems to regard student visas as a nice little earner,charging hundreds of euros for too frequent renewals according to an acquaintance who teaches ESL,English as a second language. Those fees amount to more than a month's wages in the home countries of many students,a point that wouldn't occur to our overpaid civil servants and politicians.
Sounds out of date. I know from personal experience that the waiting time is under a year now.
 

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They voluntarily chose to come to Ireland. Let them abide by the rules. If they don't like the system they can clear off.
 

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As well,the government seems to regard student visas as a nice little earner,charging hundreds of euros for too frequent renewals according to an acquaintance who teaches ESL,English as a second language. Those fees amount to more than a month's wages in the home countries of many students,a point that wouldn't occur to our overpaid civil servants and politicians.
Given that university tuition fees for non-EU residents are at least €15000 a year, I would imagine that any non-EU citizen who comes to Ireland as a full-time student either comes from a wealthy family or is being sponsored by their own government. It's highly unlikely that someone on an average wage in a third world country would be able to afford to send their son or daughter to study abroad in the first place, unless they're on a scholarship.
 

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Why should foreigners not get shoddy treatment and be overcharged just like Irish citizens?
 

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On Newstalk Radio's Global Village today,a solicitor who specialises in immigration said that applications for citizenship can take as long as four years to process and that applications have been turned down for trivial driving offences,disrupting the entire lives of the applicants.

As well,the government seems to regard student visas as a nice little earner,charging hundreds of euros for too frequent renewals according to an acquaintance who teaches ESL,English as a second language. Those fees amount to more than a month's wages in the home countries of many students,a point that wouldn't occur to our overpaid civil servants and politicians.
If racism is ever obliterated that's one programme that will be out of production. Its sole task appears to be to scour Irish society for the merest hint of the 'r' word. It's very tiresome.
But I laughed when I heard the presenter refer to 'us', meaning immigrants. If there's an us there must be a them.
 

patslatt

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Given that university tuition fees for non-EU residents are at least €15000 a year, I would imagine that any non-EU citizen who comes to Ireland as a full-time student either comes from a wealthy family or is being sponsored by their own government. It's highly unlikely that someone on an average wage in a third world country would be able to afford to send their son or daughter to study abroad in the first place, unless they're on a scholarship.
Many ESL and business colleges charge a few thousand.
 

patslatt

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Why should foreigners not get shoddy treatment and be overcharged just like Irish citizens?
Because many of them come from very poor countries or regions that are poor,as poor as Ireland was in the early 20th century.
 

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Many ESL and business colleges charge a few thousand.
its a business, not a charity.

Maybe college fees for non Eu citizens should be subsidised by the Irish government who in turn could get the money from the Irish tax payer.

We apparently have a high standard of education.If they want it then they pay for it.
 

patslatt

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If racism is ever obliterated that's one programme that will be out of production. Its sole task appears to be to scour Irish society for the merest hint of the 'r' word. It's very tiresome.
But I laughed when I heard the presenter refer to 'us', meaning immigrants. If there's an us there must be a them.
Someone has to inform the relatively small (by international standards) racist Irish minority that racism is unacceptable ignorance.
 

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On Newstalk Radio's Global Village today,a solicitor who specialises in immigration
That's the problem with your post. Had it been someone objective, then your post might have had some merit.
 

Carl Claudius

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Because many of them come from very poor countries or regions that are poor,as poor as Ireland was in the early 20th century.
boo hoo. I am going to petition Enda Kenny this very night and get him to introduce a 'poor country' tax whereby we donate part of our income towards poor countries.

Maybe we should let them in without a visa at all. Wouldn't that be fun?

Perhaps the reason for a costly visa is that it acts as deterrent to poor students who came here solely to work illegally.
 

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Because many of them come from very poor countries or regions that are poor,as poor as Ireland was in the early 20th century.
oh so we should look after the foreign visitor to this country but ************************ over the irish, you sure your not a government minister?
 

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Because many of them come from very poor countries or regions that are poor,as poor as Ireland was in the early 20th century.
I'm not really getting your point. People who go abroad to study are typically able to afford it. If I chose to do that, I would have to pay for a visa, if I want to study in the US, I'd have to pay thousands for a visa, same in the UK (if I were a non eu national). It is a revenue making exercise. In third world countries there is a massive gap between rich and poor, the poor people of poor countries are not going to be burning the midnight oil googling the ins and outs of Irish Universities :roll:
 
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