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Government’s Renewable Energy Programme Under Judicial Review.


Ultan Murphy

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Engineer to challenge Government


The Department of Communications, Energy and Natural Resources is preparing for a courtroom showdown with a chemical engineer in the new year over the Government’s renewable energy plans.

Pat Swords, a chemical engineer from Dublin, has won the right to seek a judicial review of the Government’s renewable energy programme.

Mr Swords said that he is taking the case because he does not want to see Ireland following the disastrous route that Germany has embarked on which resulted in a tripling of industrial electricity prices and a doubling of domestic prices.

He said he started looking for the legally required documents to show the benefit that Ireland would get from starting large-scale renewable projects.

"As a specialist I could see this coming so I started asking for the legally required information and it was not there," he said. After discovering the lack of documentation he launched his legal battle.

A spokesperson for the department said that they were aware of the pending case.

"We are aware that Mr Swords has notified the Chief State Solicitor’s office of a judicial review," they said.

Pat has already found the Government's renewable energy programme to not be in compliance with the Aarhus Convention, and if he wins in the High Court the Wind Farm merchants may be found liable for damages.
 

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Hopefully common sense will prevail and an end will be but to the gallop of windfarm speculators in this country before it is too late for the consumer and some of the country's most fragile landscapes.
 

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Hopefully common sense will prevail and an end will be but to the gallop of windfarm speculators in this country before it is too late for the consumer and some of the countries most fragile landscapes.
And hopefully that horrible little politcal liar Rabbitte will get a good kick in the ar$e as he is a major promoter of useless wind turbines in Ireland. I reckon he is disappointed that he missed out on promoting the mad cap property bubble that helped to destroy the economy and he wants to make up for it by jumping on the next bankster's and speculators bubble of wind farms
 

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Good call.

We need a judicial review into pricing offered to power suppliers by Eirgrid.

We could achieve self sufficiency in electricity generation, if the levies for access to the grid were supportinve of the investment, and if producers where alloed to make use of electricity storage technology.

I mean joined up thinking like already occurs in Denmark.

My own suspicion is that the ESB unions and ESB management are 100% against it.

But, I hope that all of us here are of the opinion that the public interest should come first.
 

rash mulligan

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Yes there are quite a few Mick and Paddy's Wind Farm Companies that have sprung up about the place.

They have simply jumped from 3 bed semi's to wind turbines that don't work.

This time however justice will be served with a bit of marmite.

 

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Yes there are quite a few Mick and Paddy's Wind Farm Companies that have sprung up about the place.

They have simply jumped from 3 bed semi's to wind turbines that don't work.

This time however justice will be served with a bit of marmite.

If they dont work why are GSK, Dupuy, and Norvartis building turbines in Cork to supply electricity for their plants?
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These are cutting edge companies that need electricty everyday, 24 hours.
 

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Pat has already found the Government's renewable energy programme to not be in compliance with the Aarhus Convention, and if he wins in the High Court the Wind Farm merchants may be found liable for damages.[/QUOTE]


If he wins it would be impossible for wind farm operators to be found liable for damages. period.
 

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Yes there are quite a few Mick and Paddy's Wind Farm Companies that have sprung up about the place.

They have simply jumped from 3 bed semi's to wind turbines that don't work.

This time however justice will be served with a bit of marmite.

Wasn't there some Co-op crew looking for a slice of the action too? Can't be good news for them either.
 

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If they dont work why are GSK, Dupuy, and Norvartis building turbines in Cork to supply electricity for their plants?
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These are cutting edge companies that need electricty everyday, 24 hours.
They are being paid to put them up.
 

rash mulligan

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Who are being paid and by who?
SEAI paid Munster Joinery 1 million euro to put up two turbines.

Guess who funds the SEAI ?

Renewable Energy


In the case of the Muster Joinery, Wind Energy Direct the total project cost was €6m and is estimated to save the Munster Joinery in excess of €1m over a five year time frame. A €1m grant was also received from SEAI in relation to this project.
So the total pay out from the tax payer to Munster Joinery was 7 million euro.

They claim MJ will save 200,000 euro per year for 5 years which is bogus.

Nobody asked me if I wanted to give MJ 7 million euro for a technology that does not work.

This is typical Green madness, placing a technology that does not work on top of a technology that does work as in double/triple glazed windows.

That 7 million would have been better spent giving people with single glaze double, and people with double glaze triple for free.

Wind energy has to go , it is destroying everything it touches.

 

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"Mr Swords claims that Eirgrid was aware that implementing a move to renewables in Ireland would increase the price of energy. He said Eirgrid took part in a study with a Finnish Engineering Consultancy Poyry, but Eirgrid refused to release the information.

A spokesperson for Eirgrid said that they could not release the studies findings as they were commercially sensitive.
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Will Eirgrid have to 'discover' this study to Mr. Swords on foot of this court case?
 

bob3367

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SEAI paid Munster Joinery 1 million euro to put up two turbines.

Guess who funds the SEAI ?

Renewable Energy




So the total pay out from the tax payer to Munster Joinery was 7 million euro.

They claim MJ will save 200,000 euro per year for 5 years which is bogus.

Nobody asked me if I wanted to give MJ 7 million euro for a technology that does not work.

This is typical Green madness, placing a technology that does not work on top of a technology that does work as in double/triple glazed windows.

That 7 million would have been better spent giving people with single glaze double, and people with double glaze triple for free.

Wind energy has to go , it is destroying everything it touches.

Nice try, I was referring to GSK, Du puy and norvatis not Munster Joinery.

I take it you dont know and your post is incorrect.
 

rash mulligan

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"Mr Swords claims that Eirgrid was aware that implementing a move to renewables in Ireland would increase the price of energy. He said Eirgrid took part in a study with a Finnish Engineering Consultancy Poyry, but Eirgrid refused to release the information.

A spokesperson for Eirgrid said that they could not release the studies findings as they were commercially sensitive.
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Will Eirgrid have to 'discover' this study to Mr. Swords on foot of this court case?

Let's hope this will lead many documents being released along with admissions of documentation that does not exist.
 

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SEAI paid Munster Joinery 1 million euro to put up two turbines.

Guess who funds the SEAI ?

Renewable Energy




So the total pay out from the tax payer to Munster Joinery was 7 million euro.

They claim MJ will save 200,000 euro per year for 5 years which is bogus.

Nobody asked me if I wanted to give MJ 7 million euro for a technology that does not work.

This is typical Green madness, placing a technology that does not work on top of a technology that does work as in double/triple glazed windows.

That 7 million would have been better spent giving people with single glaze double, and people with double glaze triple for free.

Wind energy has to go , it is destroying everything it touches.
I would have thought that triple glazing was a step too far given our temperate climate and that instead we would be better off encouraging people to clad/insulate walls (as well as attics, double glazing etc).
 

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Nice try, I was referring to GSK, Du puy and norvatis not Munster Joinery.

I take it you dont know and your post is incorrect.
What is the difference? MJ is a private company, no?

You asked for information and you go it. You do not want to accept it, that's fine. Why should WE fund MJ to the tune of €1 Million?
 

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Good call.

We need a judicial review into pricing offered to power suppliers by Eirgrid.

We could achieve self sufficiency in electricity generation, if the levies for access to the grid were supportinve of the investment, and if producers where alloed to make use of electricity storage technology.

I mean joined up thinking like already occurs in Denmark.

My own suspicion is that the ESB unions and ESB management are 100% against it.

But, I hope that all of us here are of the opinion that the public interest should come first.
Agreed, but the short sighted proffit and be seen to be doing something know nothings are in office. And all they will give us is flowery wallpaper that they will tear down and replace later...employing themselves to do so of course.
 

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Was visiting a grave yesterday up on a nice vallyside..the view was blighted with turbines as are all the hills in our area. Our bog has a 24/7 checkpoint with portacabins floodlights barriers...its all so horrible.
 

rash mulligan

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I would have thought that triple glazing was a step too far given our temperate climate and that instead we would be better off encouraging people to clad/insulate walls (as well as attics, double glazing etc).
I would have thought that triple glazing was a step too far given our temperate climate and that instead we would be better off encouraging people to clad/insulate walls (as well as attics, double glazing etc).
If it was free I would choose triple glaze over pumping my cavity wall with bead.

I have double glaze and 50mil aeroboard in a 100 mil cavity wall.

I believe more heat is lost through the double glaze windows than my wall which is made of the following :

4"block (inner) - 50 mil aeroboard - 50mil cavity - 4" block (outter)

Now taking price into consideration to pump walls of my grant sized (1,345 sq ft) bungalow would cost about 800 euro.

I suspect replacing my double glazed windows with triple would cost alot more that 800 euro.

Yes/No ?
 

bob3367

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What is the difference? MJ is a private company, no?

You asked for information and you go it. You do not want to accept it, that's fine. Why should WE fund MJ to the tune of €1 Million?
The poster said that GSK, Du puy and Novartis are being paid to put up the turbines.

He answered by citing something else, thats not the answer to the question posed.

I take it that he is lying....unless he can prove what he posted.
 
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