"GPs demand €60,000 per year for 'free' care of elderly."



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F***ing scandalous how much patients are being charged in Private Nursing Homes.

Thank you Fianna FAIL.
 

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Onje thing that could radically shake up our healthcare system is provide diagnostic equipment for some serious illnesses in GP surgeries eg. colonoscopy machinery and have as is a European norm, GP consultations and medicine at a minimum cost for all, children, those with serious illnesses and senior citizens free and only them!
If we did this we would be on our way to actually becoming a society!
 

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I remember a few years ago, a head of one of the medics representative bodies being challenged about GP charges and he said the actual economic cost of goiung to a GP was something like €120 for your consultation!
Now a simple question where in the world does it cost anything remotely like that, even the standard €60 to go and see your GP? Where?
Said individual, also came across as the greatest sleeveen imaginable from the way he projected himself in that interview.
 

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Who is going to pay for that? The current GMS does not fund G.P.s to do sigmoidoscopies in their rooms. They are currently being over-run by snotty under 6 year olds who were granted free care to buy votes....and that is only one of many issues.
Many G.P.s are retiring in the next 5 years. Many younger G.P.s have emigrated.
Capitation means that without further state investment, the services will continue to wither on the vine.
God forbid the G.P. charge the patient a viable fee for these services.
I am currently working as a G.P. in Australia.
It is possible here for G.P.s to learn how to do point-of-care ultrasound, in-room sigmoidoscopies, skin cancer and cosmetic surgery. G.P.s in rural areas are given grants to help maintain their services to but equipment and to hire contracting doctors to help them. Ireland's system means that you are limited to a pen and paper and a stethocope.
No investment and no recognition of value of good general practice in Ireland results in a haemorrhage of trained G.P.s to overseas locations.
It takes about 9 or 10 years to train a G.P. in Ireland.
Keep pushing them out on planes and let's see what happens.
 

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Lets ask everyone to pay more in taxes to sort.

Maybe increase healthcare premiums.

Who wants to pay more ?

Do away with private healthcare and lets see what happens. People shouldn`t be skipping queues just because they have more money. Should they ?
 

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@General Urko

<provide diagnostic equipment>

Who should provide that?
 

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@General Urko

How much do you think a G.P. gets paid from the GMS each time they visit a nursing home patient?
Do you know?
 

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<provide diagnostic equipment>

Who should provide that?
They should be given grants for that for sure, I was not suggesting it comes out of their arse pockets!
 

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@General Urko

How much do you think a G.P. gets paid from the GMS each time they visit a nursing home patient?
Do you know?
I know the cost of living in Oz is through the roof, but I would be fairly sure that GPs there aren't begging for €60K to vist a nursing home once and a while!
 

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Who is going to pay for that? The current GMS does not fund G.P.s to do sigmoidoscopies in their rooms. They are currently being over-run by snotty under 6 year olds who were granted free care to buy votes....and that is only one of many issues.
Many G.P.s are retiring in the next 5 years. Many younger G.P.s have emigrated.
Capitation means that without further state investment, the services will continue to wither on the vine.
God forbid the G.P. charge the patient a viable fee for these services.
I am currently working as a G.P. in Australia.
It is possible here for G.P.s to learn how to do point-of-care ultrasound, in-room sigmoidoscopies, skin cancer and cosmetic surgery. G.P.s in rural areas are given grants to help maintain their services to but equipment and to hire contracting doctors to help them. Ireland's system means that you are limited to a pen and paper and a stethocope.
No investment and no recognition of value of good general practice in Ireland results in a haemorrhage of trained G.P.s to overseas locations.
It takes about 9 or 10 years to train a G.P. in Ireland.
Keep pushing them out on planes and let's see what happens.
Sure GP care is free for citizens in Oz and it's taken as a sign of being civilized!
 

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@General Urko

How much do you think a G.P. gets paid from the GMS each time they visit a nursing home patient?
Do you know?

A Relative of mine was pulling down over €400k per year as a GP who had a good stock of elderly patients in "high support"
 

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Wouldn't a grant just be another grab?
Should G.P.s not just work for free and sacrifice themselves for the people?
What greater reward could there be?
 

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Wouldn't a grant just be another grab?
Should G.P.s not just work for free and sacrifice themselves for the people?
What greater reward could there be?
No they should screw their patients for as much as they possible can. Being a Doctor is a lousy Job immersed in decay and death with long hours. The money is the only redeeming compensation, along with a bit of Social Status.
 

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Revenue targets specific industries where they are fairly sure there is bollex acting on taxes by the self employed and they have targeted GPs in at least one geographic area because of this!
That's the class of folk, you can find in this profession!
Years ago and completely insanely, the Irish healthcare system used to pay a GP on the GMS more on the basis of giving more meds to his/her patients, so there was a very real incentive for them to overproscribe or even give totally unnecessary medicines and of course then there's the backhanders from pharma in cases!
 

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Technology will make GPs mostly redundant within most our lifetimes.
I would be very confident they will be able to reinvent themselves within the industry!
 

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G.P. care is not free in Australia. It is moving more to the U.S. system.
G.P.s can choose to accept the Medicare rebate as full payment but it covers about 50 to 60% of the proper fee needed for viability.
This is usually restricted to concession card holders and children except in cities where churn and burn clinics offer free-for-all cheap 6 minute medicine ...often by doctors who are not trained in general practice.
 

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When G.P.s are replaced by machines, then most other human jobs will have long been made redundant.
 


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