Graduate vets 90% female in Oz, 1 scholarship offered to help potential male vets with rural focus, controversy ensues

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Graduate vets 90% female in Oz, 1 scholarship offered to help potential male vets with rural focus, controversy ensues

Another example of fk men and fk the economy, equality is a one way street Bruce. 90% of graduate vets are women, which is all cool , free market and all that but female vets want comfort so they only tend to work in city small animal practices. This will affect the rural economy in the future as they avoid large animal farming based practices. As a tiny aid to help potential male vets a donor offering a scholarship wanted a preference for male and a rural background. Of course it couldnt be let go as something very reasonable. I believe its 70/30 in ireland but I have read that farmers fear a shortage of vets in the future.
So are we still there that to help an industry by helping men and not even for its own sake will cause a REEEEEE response?



https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/08/sydney-university-under-fire-for-vet-scholarship-giving-preference-to-males

The Prof Marsh Edwards AO scholarship, offered for the first time this year, is available to students enrolled in the postgraduate doctor of veterinary medicine degree at the University of Sydney. The successful applicant will receive $6,750 a year for four years.

The release states that “preference will be given to male applicants who are from rural and regional areas with an interest in large animal practice and intended to work in rural veterinary science”.

“The inclusion of males as one of a number of preferences by the donor is to address the current underrepresentation of males in the student cohort.

“As such it is consistent with the university’s support of actions to address and encourage diversity and [address]underrepresentation in certain disciplines or professions.”

The university offered a number of scholarships aimed at increasing the participation of women in subjects where they were underrepresented, and “was satisfied it is complying with the law”.
 


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It is just the double standard again , the university has already done scholarships where females were given preferential treatment in courses where females were underrepresented and no one bats an eyelid , but the other way around and suddenly it is discrimination and sexist etc etc
 

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I am against this. There should be no special treatment for any particular gender in any particular discipline. If men do not want to be vets then so what? The same goes for nursing, primary teaching etc. The same also goes when the shoe is on the other foot. People make choices and it is no ones business if those choices do not suit some politician's or some academic's grand social vision.
 

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The irish leaving cert is biased against boys ( 3 out of 4 compulsory subjects are langauges for example)
A number of years ago this was causing problems for medicine with 90% of some years being female.

So they introduced a more gender balanced test to get more male doctors, very suprised there was not much comment at the time.

HPAT balances gender
 

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I am against this. There should be no special treatment for any particular gender in any particular discipline. If men do not want to be vets then so what? The same goes for nursing, primary teaching etc. The same also goes when the shoe is on the other foot. People make choices and it is no ones business if those choices do not suit some politician's or some academic's grand social vision.
I'd agree depending, in this case its a private donor so its only newsworthy because people are complaining about it. Secondly if its like Ireland we are back to an education system that tends to screen out men for high points courses . from an economic perspective 90% of nurses being female doesnt hurt the economy 90% of vets would do as farmers would be underserved as female vets want the easy jobs
 

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It is just the double standard again , the university has already done scholarships where females were given preferential treatment in courses where females were underrepresented and no one bats an eyelid , but the other way around and suddenly it is discrimination and sexist etc etc
Because society is not set up in a way that systematically disadvantages men at the expense of women.

As one person notes (in a part that silverharp decided not to include in his OP for some reason):

“The way I think about it, affirmative action should only apply to people who have structural barriers to receiving an education – that’s what the exemption in discrimination law is about, so you can procure particular benefits for women in Stem [science, technology, engineering and mathematics], Aboriginal students and so on,” Grant said.

“It’s not for further advantaging men. It’s really quite bizarre.”
 

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I am against this. There should be no special treatment for any particular gender in any particular discipline. If men do not want to be vets then so what? The same goes for nursing, primary teaching etc. The same also goes when the shoe is on the other foot. People make choices and it is no ones business if those choices do not suit some politician's or some academic's grand social vision.
If society is set up in a way that makes it harder for a person to choose a profession because they happen to be male or female, or black or white, etc., then everyone has an interest in fixing that problem.
 

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Because society is not set up in a way that systematically disadvantages men at the expense of women.

As one person notes (in a part that silverharp decided not to include in his OP for some reason):
The usual nonsense from you , how is society stopping females from doing the STEM subjects?
 

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The usual nonsense from you , how is society stopping females from doing the STEM subjects?
Because Patriarchy.........or something.
 

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I'd agree depending, in this case its a private donor so its only newsworthy because people are complaining about it. Secondly if its like Ireland we are back to an education system that tends to screen out men for high points courses . from an economic perspective 90% of nurses being female doesnt hurt the economy 90% of vets would do as farmers would be underserved as female vets want the easy jobs
I agree with that - it is pretty amazing that women could complain about this unless the same women oppose similar measures in other disciplines that favour their gender. But of course it should be remembered that we are dealing with a political lobby, and the job of a lobby is to make up reasons as to why they should get free stuff at everyone else's expense.

If there is a need for people to work in specific areas or specific kinds of practice and women do not take those roles e.g. because they prefer cuddling sick puppies to going arm deep in some heifer (not a reference to feminists), then I would go beyond a scholarship and make reserve X% of places in Vet schools for people who pledge to work Y years in certain zones. If someone doesn't want to do that, then off the list they go and the place gets allocated to the next most qualified person.

Also, if there is such a huge need for the vets, then why not just open a private college to increase supply?
 

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The irish leaving cert is biased against boys ( 3 out of 4 compulsory subjects are langauges for example)
A number of years ago this was causing problems for medicine with 90% of some years being female.

So they introduced a more gender balanced test to get more male doctors, very suprised there was not much comment at the time.

HPAT balances gender
Female doctors don't work as hard as male doctors. Many only work part time to be with their families. Nothing wrong with that but it could leave large junks of the country with out GP coverage.
 

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Female doctors don't work as hard as male doctors. Many only work part time to be with their families. Nothing wrong with that but it could leave large junks of the country with out GP coverage.
But at least you're also really good at providing evidence to back up my point, as above.
 

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Female doctors don't work as hard as male doctors. Many only work part time to be with their families. Nothing wrong with that but it could leave large junks of the country with out GP coverage.
So women shouldn't have children then.
 

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But at least you're also really good at providing evidence to back up my point, as above.
Ok at the risk of being dragged into a long rambling thread where you churn out pc boilerplate what was your point and how does what I have said in post #13 back up the point?
 

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Because Patriarchy.........or something.
It is a crasy argument as usual from the likes Merc, the teaching profession is overwhelmingly female , boys are dropping out early of the education system at a much bigger rate than girls , Girls are going to third level at a much greater ratio than boys and yet the argument is always how oppressed females are in the education system and how we need more affirmative action in favour of them even though the stats show they are already doing a lot better than males.

Theresa May just before and after she became UK PM mentioned at a stat than white working class boys were by far the most disadvantaged group in the UK when it came to education , and PC thinking was stopping anyone doing anything about it as drop rates get higher and higher in that demographic , she said she would tackle it , although as of yet there seems to be no action.
 


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