Greek border crisis

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Following the Turkish announcement that it will "open the gates" to Europe and no longer control migrant flows by refugees on its territory. the Greek government has announced a series of emergency measures, including the suspension of refugee applications for one month. They are also seeking the invocation of Article 78.3 of the EU Treaty, as well as the deployment of Eurofor (the Rapid Reaction Force) to the Aegean Sea.


The EU, at Greece's request, is calling an emergency meeting of the Foreign Affairs Council next week "".


Article 78.3 of the EU Treaty states:


What should the EU do? Should we accede to the Greek request for help?
 


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Following the Turkish announcement that it will "open the gates" to Europe and no longer control migrant flows by refugees on its territory. the Greek government has announced a series of emergency measures, including the suspension of refugee applications for one month. They are also seeking the invocation of Article 78.3 of the EU Treaty, as well as the deployment of Eurofor (the Rapid Reaction Force) to the Aegean Sea.


The EU, at Greece's request, is calling an emergency meeting of the Foreign Affairs Council next week "".


Article 78.3 of the EU Treaty states:


What should the EU do? Should we accede to the Greek request for help?
Of course they should.

Turkey is trying to provoke an artificial crisis like 2016, hoping to extort resources and assistance from the EU violating previous agreements.

There should also be humanitarian assistance to the refugees, whom I saw on Sky last night. There are many families with children and small babies, who are now Erdogan's pawns.

A channel needs to be opened to Erdogan to see what can be done ... not to accede to his demands, which are vague.
 

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Greeks on Lesbos have resorted to burning down an UNCHR migrant reception centre on the island.
It is clearly escalating.
 

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Of course they should.

Turkey is trying to provoke an artificial crisis like 2016, hoping to extort resources and assistance from the EU violating previous agreements.

There should also be humanitarian assistance to the refugees, whom I saw on Sky last night. There are many families with children and small babies, who are now Erdogan's pawns.

A channel needs to be opened to Erdogan to see what can be done ... not to accede to his demands, which are vague.
The refugees can go back to wherever they were staying in Turkey, presumably, at least they should be able to.
 

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The refugees can go back to wherever they were staying in Turkey, presumably, at least they should be able to.
They were on the Greek border, and the Turks just opened it to them, telling them the opposite border was open. They lied.

If the Turks need extra resources to lodge the refugees, I am sure there is no reason that cannot be negotiated.
 

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The refugees can go back to wherever they were staying in Turkey, presumably, at least they should be able to.
Jesus, but ignorance is one of humanity's most corrosive traits.
 

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They were on the Greek border, and the Turks just opened it to them, telling them the opposite border was open. They lied.

If the Turks need extra resources to lodge the refugees, I am sure there is no reason that cannot be negotiated.
The EU has already paid the Turks for this, if it wasn’t enough why didn’t they say...this seems a blatant attempt to blackmail EU into supporting their interventions in Syria.
 

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According to Euronews channel (508 on Sky), Greece has accused the Turkish authorities of firing stun grenades at its border.
 

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A better title for this thread Dame, would have been Migrant Crisis 2.0
 

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Greece has announced some measures. No doubt the EU will denounce them as vituperatively as they did the efforts of Hungary to secure their border.

  • No more asylum processing for one month at least
  • Immediate return of people arriving illegally
 

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The EU has already paid the Turks for this, if it wasn’t enough why didn’t they say...this seems a blatant attempt to blackmail EU into supporting their interventions in Syria.
That's exactly what it is. If you hear the noises out of Austria and Greece, it is apparent that some European leaders are not going to roll over this time. Last time round, rather than actually securing the border Brussels gave 4 billion of EU taxpayer money to the Islamist thug in Ankara. That said, in fairness to Turkey, they've nearly two million (I think?) refugees in their country. They do need help. This crisis though seems to have been initiated by Turkey.
 

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That's exactly what it is. If you hear the noises out of Austria and Greece, it is apparent that some European leaders are not going to roll over this time. Last time round, rather than actually securing the border Brussels gave 4 billion of EU taxpayer money to the Islamist thug in Ankara. That said, in fairness to Turkey, they've nearly two million (I think?) refugees in their country. They do need help. This crisis though seems to have been initiated by Turkey.
The Turks claim it is nearer to 4 million refugees.

And this time it is an artificial crisis created by Turkey to further its political and military aims in Syria. Or, they are creating a new crisis out of an already existing one.

The EU have few options other than to stand firm, and hope that Turkey bends to world pressure. It would be interesting to know if the US is backing the EU on this, normally it would. France could call the UN Security Council to consider matters.
 

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The Turks claim it is nearer to 4 million refugees.

And this time it is an artificial crisis created by Turkey to further its political and military aims in Syria. Or, they are creating a new crisis out of an already existing one.

The EU have few options other than to stand firm, and hope that Turkey bends to world pressure. It would be interesting to know if the US is backing the EU on this, normally it would. France could call the UN Security Council to consider matters.
Maybe Turkey needs to stop letting in some of these people in the first place - according to some accounts lots of the guys at the border now are Pakistani, what are they refugees from?
 

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Looks like the alt-righ facists are mobilised:


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All Credit to broadsheet
 

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Looks like the alt-righ facists are mobilised:
The people of lesbos are being overwhelmed by the numbers of refugees. They were originally welcoming.

So-called 'liberals' offer nothing except calling them fascists.

Don't know where you live, would love to see you with a refugee camp in your back garden.

It's almost as if the EU wants people to turn to fascism.

If this was happening at Dun Laoghaire people would react the same way. Easy to be judgemental when you're unaffected.
 

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France could call the UN Security Council to consider matters.
It's amusing to me that you believe what the UN says about anything makes any difference to anyone. This is the organization with Iran, Pakistan, Cuba, Venezuela on the "Human Rights" council and had Saudi Arabia chair their women's rights deliberations. It's a corrupt, broken and decrepit unfunny joke.
 

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The people of lesbos are being overwhelmed by the numbers of refugees. They were originally welcoming.

So-called 'liberals' offer nothing except calling them fascists.

Don't know where you live, would love to see you with a refugee camp in your back garden.

It's almost as if the EU wants people to turn to fascism.

If this was happening at Dun Laoghaire people would react the same way. Easy to be judgemental when you're unaffected.
Yes, Lesbos has had enough. There are 20,000 "refugees" there who last week went on a rampage demanding to be allowed to go North. I firmly believe this entitlement attitude has been inculcated by the various NGOs operating there. Part of the push-back by the locals involved - not attacks on the refugees themselves - but the burning down of the offices of the NGOs. To my mind, the Greeks have been extraordinarily tolerant of what amounts to a literal invasion of their home.

If you were to go by the narrative of most of the media you'd go along with the belief that the put-upon folks of Lesbos are xenophobic monsters and the NGOs the voice of reason.
 


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