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Greek police disrupt charitable event -because only Greeks were beneficiaries


Eric Cartman

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The Greek police, under instructions by their Prime Minister disrupted a charitable event conducted by the third largest party in Greece (according to opinion polls), People's Association – Golden Dawn.

Police block far-right

Greece’s anti-immigrant Golden Dawn party scuffled with police who stopped them distributing food exclusively to Greeks in Athens’ central square today ahead of the Greek Orthodox Easter holiday on May 5th.
Television footage showed Golden Dawn members in their trademark black t-shirts hitting riot police on the head with rolled up Greek flags after being prevented from unloading eggs, bread, lamb to hand out in Syntagma Square.
Police responded with a brief burst of teargas. Athens mayor George Kaminis had banned the far-right party from conducting the handout in the square in front of parliament, calling it a “soup kitchen of hatred” because only those with a Greek identity card were eligible to receive food.
“Democracy will prevail,” said Mr Kaminis. “Today the logic of violence, of thuggery, of ‘having my way’ was beaten.
What does it matter that only Greeks were the intended beneficiaries of this event, surely if some more Greeks received aid then that frees up resources for others? Some might say this denies People's Association – Golden Dawn some sort of propaganda value. I would counter that the unnecessary police action has probably been a boon to the party. So now the Greek government is frustrating the efforts of others to help their own citizens? I wonder how this will play out?

I'm undecided about them myself, but I can easily understand why they are rising in support:
Greek youth unemployment rate hits 64% - European News | Latest News from Across Europe | The Irish Times - Thu, May 09, 2013

Greek youth unemployment shot to a record 64 per cent in February, underscoring the dire state of the recession-hit economy despite signs of improving business sentiment.
Repeated doses of austerity under international bailouts have almost tripled Greece’s jobless rate since its debt crisis began in 2009, weighing on an economy in its sixth year of recession.
Overall unemployment has risen to an all-time high of 27 per cent, data showed today, while joblessness in the 15-to-24 age group jumped to 64.2 per cent in February from 59.3 per cent in January.
 


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golden dawn are vermin, they should be outlawed and their leaders should be interned indefinitely without trial. They are fascist scum.
 

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While not a fan of Golden Dawn, I think the govt have just scored a major own goal by appearing to be trying to prevent aid to Greeks going through hard times. Discriminatory or not, those in need shouldn't be denied it at a time when the Greek state can no longer afford to provide it. PC is at play here, and perhaps also pressure from the EU to crack down on Golden Dawn. In a democracy, banning political parties is something I am strongly opposed to, unlike Western European countries that have a tradition of doing so.
 

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While not a fan of Golden Dawn, I think the govt have just scored a major own goal by appearing to be trying to prevent aid to Greeks going through hard times. Discriminatory or not, those in need shouldn't be denied it at a time when the Greek state can no longer afford to provide it. PC is at play here, and perhaps also pressure from the EU to crack down on Golden Dawn. In a democracy, banning political parties is something I am strongly opposed to, unlike Western European countries that have a tradition of doing so.
if a political party poses a major threat to democracy then i firmly believe that a democratic government is morally obliged to use whatever means are necessary to eliminate the group, in this case golden dawn, sometimes state terror is necessary to prevent a country sliding into dictatorship, the hardline is the most effective line when dealing with golden dawn.
 

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I disapprove of this organization but it was their food, wasn't it? And if you own something you can give it to others at will, cant you? And the people who wanted the food are hardly Nazis for wanting to eat, are they?
 

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golden dawn are vermin, they should be outlawed and their leaders should be interned indefinitely without trial. They are fascist scum.
If the people vote for fascists, it has to be respected.

Democracy. You know?

Just like UKIP.
 

devoutcapitalist

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If the people vote for fascists, it has to be respected.

Democracy. You know?

Just like UKIP.
a democratic party does not engage in widespread violence against its political opponents and attack people they don't like. Golden dawn are scum.
 

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a democratic party does not engage in widespread violence against its political opponents and attack people they don't like. Golden dawn are scum.
But they have democratically elected members of the Greek parliament. The state wanting to ban a political party, isn't that a bit like fascism?
 

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if a political party poses a major threat to democracy then i firmly believe that a democratic government is morally obliged to use whatever means are necessary to eliminate the group, in this case golden dawn, sometimes state terror is necessary to prevent a country sliding into dictatorship, the hardline is the most effective line when dealing with golden dawn.
Why do Eire people moralise so much?
 

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if a political party poses a major threat to democracy then i firmly believe that a democratic government is morally obliged to use whatever means are necessary to eliminate the group, in this case golden dawn, sometimes state terror is necessary to prevent a country sliding into dictatorship, the hardline is the most effective line when dealing with golden dawn.
I don't think a party can threaten democracy if the Constitution is robust enough to prevent them monopolising power. That was the problem with Germany. President Hindenburg was able to suspend the Constitution and hand dictatorial powers to Hitler. Direct democracy also protects democracy from political parties because it keeps them in check and allows the people overturn bad decisions by their rulers.
 

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What does it matter that only Greeks were the intended beneficiaries of this event, surely if some more Greeks received aid then that frees up resources for others?
Its ok if Greek pensioners and unemployed go without, may as well be Greek citizens, as they must pay tax's so newly arrived refugees can be fed, clothed and housed, its their right as asylum seekers and refugees. I sense a very turbulent future in our continent.
 

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I think you'll find that any reasonable definition of charity in law contains a requirement of non-exclusion, which makes Golden Dawn's actions not a charitable event but a political one designed to stoke ethnic hatred.
 

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I think you'll find that any reasonable definition of charity in law contains a requirement of non-exclusion, which makes Golden Dawn's actions not a charitable event but a political one designed to stoke ethnic hatred.
I don't think I have ever seen a "definition of charity" enshrined in any law. Can you provide an example?

Also since when can a charity not be limited in what they are collecting for? We see it all the time, children in Africa, abused animals, etc etc etc.

So if this particular charity wants to collect and distribute it wares to the people of Greece only then what is the problem? It is after all the people in Greece trying to live out of a bin.
 

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If Golden Dawn is to be banned, shouldn't the KKE (who are hard-line Stalinists) also be banned too? Don't ban the far-right without also banning the far-left.

Alternatively we could just treat citizens as adults and not have the government dictate to us who we are allowed to vote for.
 

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In Ireland, that event would be the FF tent in ballybrit...
 

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I don't think a party can threaten democracy if the Constitution is robust enough to prevent them monopolising power. That was the problem with Germany. President Hindenburg was able to suspend the Constitution and hand dictatorial powers to Hitler. Direct democracy also protects democracy from political parties because it keeps them in check and allows the people overturn bad decisions by their rulers.
And who overturns bad decisions by the mob?
 

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The Golden Dawn are a fascist party who have engaged in widespread acts of violence against immigrants, gays and left wing, trade union and anti-racist activists.

This publicity stunt was designed to whip up anti-immigrant feeling among the Greek population. The very government who have caused the crash in Greece, who are overseeing 40% unemployment and 60% youth unemployment, who have overseen the dismantling of the Greek health system, who have created a situation whereby large numbers of school children are badly undernourished - have used the fascist Golden Dawn in attempts to break strikes by workers defending their jobs and incomes. All that has happened in this instance is that the Greek establishment felt the fascists were overstepping the leash the ND feel they have the fascists on.

Half the police force in Athens voted for Golden Dawn in the last election and there has been traditional sympathy among the police for fascist ideology going back to the Greek civil war in 1946-47 and the dictatorship of the Colonels.

Left-wing activists (including members of Xehimina - sister party of the Socialist Party) have been building working class defence committees in working class neighbourhoods to prevent attacks by Golden Dawn - and have been arranging for small farmers to sell food directly into working class communities at low prices (as well as providing free food parcels when necessary) - and have been doing so to all working class people who need assistance in a spirit of solidarity and community support - while arguing for the need to build an opposition movement to remove the decrepit political establishment that is pauperising the working class in Greece.
 

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I don't think I have ever seen a "definition of charity" enshrined in any law. Can you provide an example?

Also since when can a charity not be limited in what they are collecting for? We see it all the time, children in Africa, abused animals, etc etc etc.

So if this particular charity wants to collect and distribute it wares to the people of Greece only then what is the problem? It is after all the people in Greece trying to live out of a bin.
Unless you're hopelessly naive, stupid, or blind, it's clear they're not distributing to the "people of Greece trying to live out of a bin" - that is, in fact, the whole point. As to a definition of charity in law, I would suggest the Revenue website, or similar, should you actually want to educate yourself.
 

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The police must have felt trapped between a rock and a hard place given the support many rank and file have given Golden Shower. But to hell with them. Time to put a stop to neo Nazis for good. Arrest the phuckers and break up the party.
 

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