Greens call for end of tax veto

Dame_Enda

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The Irish Independent is reporting that the Green Party MEPs voted in favour of a European Parliament motion calling for the introduction of Qualified Majority Voting for taxation policy.


This is a mortal threat to Irish tax sovereignty. The Greens would do well to research where tax impositions by foreign powers lead. Ask the Americans. Ask the Dutch how their war of independence began.

Taxation by consent is a fundamental organ of a nation's sovereignty, democracy and freedom. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Would the Irish people really consent to their tax rates being decided by Berlin and Paris, who had for decades scorned our 12.5% rate, without which we would be a Third World country? Is nothing sacred any more?
 


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The Irish Independent is reporting that the Green Party MEPs voted in favour of a European Parliament motion calling for the introduction of Qualified Majority Voting for taxation policy.


This is a mortal threat to Irish tax sovereignty. The Greens would do well to research where tax impositions by foreign powers lead. Ask the Americans. Ask the Dutch how their war of independence began.

Taxation by consent is a fundamental organ of a nation's sovereignty, democracy and freedom. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Would the Irish people really consent to their tax rates being decided by Berlin and Paris, who had for decades scorned our 12.5% rate, without which we would be a Third World country? Is nothing sacred any more?
The European Parliament has no power to do this. So it was only a bit of a stunt by the Greens.
 

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The European Parliament has no power to do this. So it was only a bit of a stunt by the Greens.
Indeed it doesnt have that power.

But the Greens could very well form part of the next government judging by the polls and the by election win. As such FF and FG should make their positions on this proposal clear.
 

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FF and FG have made the tax issue clear many times.
Its an issue which should be considered by uncommitted voters considering voting for the Greens, the more seats they have, the more influence they'll have. The other consideration is that Green ministers will be representing Ireland at council of ministers meetings, we need people who will look after our interests.
 

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Would green voters in the EU elections have been aware that this was on the cards ?
 

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The Irish Independent is reporting that the Green Party MEPs voted in favour of a European Parliament motion calling for the introduction of Qualified Majority Voting for taxation policy.


This is a mortal threat to Irish tax sovereignty. The Greens would do well to research where tax impositions by foreign powers lead. Ask the Americans. Ask the Dutch how their war of independence began.

Taxation by consent is a fundamental organ of a nation's sovereignty, democracy and freedom. He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Would the Irish people really consent to their tax rates being decided by Berlin and Paris, who had for decades scorned our 12.5% rate, without which we would be a Third World country? Is nothing sacred any more?
They are Traitors to Ireland!

But while this threat has been seen off for now it will return to the agenda for sure..

Dreadful people alltogether!:mad:
 

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There was a time when the Green Party here used to be very "Euro-Skeptic" but they have gone along a similar path to the Shinners.
 

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The Greens are probably just trying to lay the groundwork for the necessary carbon taxes they'll want brought in as condition for any minority partner position in European governments.

They won't want their taxation ideas scuppered by an effective veto on tax issues being held as a trump card by member states.
 

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The Greens are probably just trying to lay the groundwork for the necessary carbon taxes they'll want brought in as condition for any minority partner position in European governments.

They won't want their taxation ideas scuppered by an effective veto on tax issues being held as a trump card by member states.
The OECD is the key group that is gong to recommend on a worldwide taxation regime.


Even the EU is only one player, and it is a difficult issue for Ireland.

But turning a massive issue into a "Let's Hang The Greens.!" lynching session is pure stupid.
 

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If only for entirely unoriginal thinking and hair-trigger victim-playing.
Imagine if a Paddy tried to play similar games in either the People's Republic of China or Taiwan? I certainly would not like to be in their place.
 

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I understand the reasoning behind it, but I simply don’t trust other governments not to abuse such a system.
 

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The OECD is the key group that is gong to recommend on a worldwide taxation regime.......
Even the EU is only one player, and it is a difficult issue for Ireland.
There is so that they no doubt that multinationals shift profits to avoid taxes but it is also true that only a worldwide agreement can combat them. What the Greens want is for Ireland to transfer the ability to set tax rates to a combination of France and other states within the EU so that they become more attractive than Ireland to multinationals.
 

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The OECD is the key group that is gong to recommend on a worldwide taxation regime.


Even the EU is only one player, and it is a difficult issue for Ireland.

But turning a massive issue into a "Let's Hang The Greens.!" lynching session is pure stupid.
Owed normally loves a good lynching session 😀


It is kind of irrelevant what ideological bandwagon these muppets are on. The fact that they could be responsible for giving away power without any oversight or approval is the massive and shocking issue.
 

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Well the good news there is that the OECD would have to go through a lot of hoops and lobbying to determine what the rate of corporate tax should be, and will probably end up where the EU ended up leaving a harmonisation tax effort about 20 years back- with a recommended minimum rate of tax, not a harmonised one.

Even if the OECD were given tax level setting powers it would probably take 20 to 30 years for a complaint of non-adherence to be heard and to wind its way through the process and back.

The chances of France and Germany allowing their systems to be amended by the OECD are fairy remote so there's a lot to play out there yet.
 

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shocking behaviour, almost as bad as the call to ban the drive through at McDonalds!
 


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