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anewbeginning

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He is a walking advertisement for why the Seanad should be abolished.

I have no time for any Green Party member who continues to support this government. When someday he decides to do the right thing and stop supporting the government, then I may listen to what he has to say. But at the moment he has little or no moral credibility.
 

anfieldabff

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He is a walking advertisement for why the Seanad should be abolished.

I have no time for any Green Party member who continues to support this government. When someday he decides to do the right thing and stop supporting the government, then I may listen to what he has to say. But at the moment he has little or no moral credibility.

Wait for it, imagine no one can be brought to book for the damage done, but the bold Dan is going to make a change in the law. Do they think we are complete egits.
It reminds me of Madam Harney and Charlie Haughey, she made sure that he could not be prosecuted due to prejudice against him when she opened her big trap. I have never beleived that was an accident but a choreographed interview to help out her FF friends.
Just go for gods sake go.!!!
 

paddywhack

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Politicians no doubt will have immunity. Can you really see anybody going to jail for the crimes that have brought this country to it's knees? Better update our extradition treaties worldwide also.
 

drummed

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the dangerous cult that is greenism and all it's followers should be outlawed, their sandals seized and their organic vegetable plots ploughed up.
the biggest fraud since banking was invented
 

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Maybe we should come to our senses first before starting to think of another piece of legislation to combat these so-called white-collar crimes. The idea itself is good but it won't achieve anything until our politicians have the will to implement/enforce all these legislations.

Take Ernest & Young as an example. How on earth would be it possible for NAMA to appoint them as auditor after their previous involvement in Anglo – couldn't spot any irregularities during an eight-year period as auditor of the bank and confirmed the bank's "excellent" financial health in a review report just months before the bank imploded?! And how likely was it that our Finance Minister hadn't sought their opinion on matters relating to the bank's balance sheet prior to the decision to nationalize Anglo?

Did it ever cross any one of our politician's mind that there might be a case for professional misconduct, gross negligence or misrepresentation in the firm's handling of the bank's accounts?

They could be named as a co-defendant in any litigations against Fitzpatrick or Drumm for criminal conspiracy. The last thing they should get was a hefty fee from NAMA while its life and debts for the rest of us.

To break up all these big fee "cartels" takes a lot more than a piece of legislation. It requires political will and guts. They are not only big and powerful on their own but also collude. It's not going be be an easy fight. But they do make mistakes and they are not infallible.
 

hellsbells

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Dan please crawl back into your hole , and take the scum your in government with along .
 

Destiny's Soldier

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The Greens should be prosecuted

The Greens as you all know were going to publish the Climate Change Bill this week (according to a tweet from John Gormley last week.)

The Climate Change Bill is just another form of white collar crime masquerading as saving the planet. It is out and out racketeering only that the public don't know how bad it is. It is about taxing all of industrial activity and trading an invisible substance that has no intrinsic value without Government intervention.

This is an ingenious form white collar crime where we are to pay 1-2% of our GDP to the IMF and World Bank. (UNFCCC)

I will prosecute Dan Boyle and the Greens and all the political class who continue to push this fraudlent science.
 

DaveMc

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the dangerous cult that is greenism and all it's followers should be outlawed, their sandals seized and their organic vegetable plots ploughed up.
the biggest fraud since banking was invented
drummed, drum!, that’s not David Drumm of Anglo Irish Casino by any chance?

Explains the bile.

Well done Dan Boyle, about time someone in the government grew a pail of balls.
 

Ah Well

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People of Cork do not give this clown any vote or preference in the next Election (National or Local) if he runs ...

Time for him to disappear politically along with the rest of the shower in power

He can always tweet from oblivion if he wants

:mad:
 

soubresauts

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Desperate Dan...

This publicity stunt is as contemptible as their continued support for an administration that has plumbed the political depths by lying to the electorate over the last week about the IMF takeover of our affairs. The Greens disgust me. They put themselves forward as ethical barometers for FF...
They did indeed.

And if you think Dan's latest effort is sickening, take a look at John Gormley's "Planet Bertie" speech in Feb 2007, a few months before the Greens went into government. The text of the speech is here. If you thought the two Brians were bad for misleading us, consider what Gormley has been saying...
A few pertinent extracts:
On Planet Bertie you can sign blank cheques -- because everyone does it, apparently. On Planet Bertie you can spend the average industrial wage on make-up. On Planet Bertie you can get loans from people -- that you don't have to pay back. On Planet Bertie you can save €50,000 -- without a bank account...

On Planet Bertie there's a strange cult called Fianna Fáil, a type of religion without vision or values; and every year in August they go on their annual pilgrimage to one of their sacred sites, the tent at the Galway races, where they pay homage to their gods and the gods bestow them with gifts for doing their bidding... let there be no doubt, we want Fianna Fáil and the PDs out of Government.

... It doesn't matter what Bertie says or does, Michael [McDowell] will stick with him. The PD enforcer has become the Tammy Wynette of Irish politics, standing desperately by his man Bertie. Who would have thought it possible that the PDs would call for an end to tribunals enquiring into corruption? Or who would have thought that they would refuse to speak on the findings of the Moriarity Tribunal? Michael has gone native -- more Fianna Fáil than the Fianna Fáilers themselves.

The Green Party wants high standards in high places; not because we are particularly virtuous, but because strong ethical standards improve the quality of our democracy...

... We will introduce the strictest ethical standards ever seen in this country. We will curb spending not just at election time but between elections. We will severely cap personal donations and ban corporate donations. We will introduce a register of lobbyists to curb the influence on policy. These measures will improve the quality of our democracy and make it easier for citizens to participate and create a much more equal society.

... We reject the two tiered health system, which has been further entrenched by tax incentives for private hospitals on public land.

In government, the Green Party will stop these tax incentives and stop the privatisation of our health service. In her right-wing ideological zeal, Mary Harney seems to believe that hospitals are like supermarkets where you can shop around and get a luxury health service if you're rich...

In government the Green Party will provide the 3,000 acute beds, and the necessary step down facilities, which the Government promised back in 2001...

We will implement the recommendations of the taskforce on obesity. Let's get rid of the vending machines out of schools, let's stop the advertising of junk food to kids. These sensible measures will save us money later on by preventing type 2 diabetes and heart disease. We will implement the recommendations of the taskforce on alcohol, a problem which costs this country a staggering €2.65 billion every year.

... Other parties can tell you how they are going to spend your money. We'll tell you how we can save it for you.

... Remember: "Other parties promise you the sun, moon and stars, but only the Greens guarantee the earth."

But in reality we won't be guaranteeing anything unless we're in government. We want to be in government. We see ourselves as a party of government but, we are also an unusual Party in that we are a Party of conviction with conviction politicians. Prospective coalition partners need to know this. If they are into power for power's sake, or if it is just about gimmicks and hype, then they should think again about knocking on our door. But if they are serious about providing a better society then they will find in the Green Party dynamic dependable people who want to provide this society with better leadership.

I cannot bear the thought of another five years in Opposition...

The gombeenism has to end, my friends. This is it. We have an unprecedented opportunity to change this society for the better. We have the policies, we have the people, but there can be no substitute for hard work.
Remember, that was nearly four years ago. You can watch the speech here:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqkoz7hmc1s"]Gormley "Planet Bertie" speech[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44AStK1hMI"]"Planet Bertie" part 2[/ame]
 

anewbeginning

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Such a bill will get bogged down for decades in the Oirachtas with readings and rereadings of it.

But at least the Greens get some publicity out of it, and sure that's all that matters.

Unless it's retrospective, it is useless, because those who got us in the mess would escape while potentially a future politician trying to get us out of the mess could be charged.

A pointless publicity stunt.
 

chrisman

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Surely there are enough laws on the statute book to cover this.

Are some people too big to gaol

And a question for any legal eagles out there,can the President order an investigation?
 

chrisman

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If the President does not have the powers directly can the President be petitioned
 

corelli

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Surely there are enough laws on the statute book to cover this.

Are some people too big to gaol

And a question for any legal eagles out there,can the President order an investigation?
No.
 

Odyessus

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How anyone can take this buffoon seriously is beyond me. Between tweeting like a teenage girl on every subject, and now this.

His proposal is so imbecilic I hardly know where to start. If he really believes it is realistic he is an idiot. If not, it is mere demagogy.

Either way, he has shown himself to be unfit to be a public representative.
 

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