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Grillo's Five Star movement. A model for Ireland?


Keith-M

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Just looking at the Italian election and the huge surge in support for the previously non-political entertainer Beppe Grillo and his Five Star movement. Is this a model of the the people who are disenchanted with the current political parties and want to improve the lot of everyone? A commitment not to enter a coalition but to support a minority government on a case by case basis would surely be better than the Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber options that are our only options.
 

Morgellons

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I'd vote for Tommy Tiernan-seriously. I wouldn't vote for Des Bishop though.
 

drummed

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We get a comedian to start a directionless movement? Are you applying for the job?
 

ibis

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I think it's possible that 2016 represents one of the best opportunities thus far in the history of the State to put a real reform movement into the Dail in some strength. Not to go into government, not to go into coalition, but to try to hold the balance of power and push a reform agenda. If we wouldn't do it on the 100th anniversary of the Rising, when would we ever do it?
 

borntorum

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Grillo is a populist idiot telling other idiots what they want to hear. We have enough of that type of politician in this country already.
 

Mossy Heneberry

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Just looking at the Italian election and the huge surge in support for the previously non-political entertainer Beppe Grillo and his Five Star movement. Is this a model of the the people who are disenchanted with the current political parties and want to improve the lot of everyone? A commitment not to enter a coalition but to support a minority government on a case by case basis would surely be better than the Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber options that are our only options.
Because Irish people don't want change. They want the same old, the same old, time and time again.
 

drummed

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Grillo is a populist idiot telling other idiots what they want to hear. We have enough of that type of politician in this country already.


There's always room for a few more as far as i can see. Plenty of posters here for a start assuming any of them can find their way to a polling station. Which is debateable.
 

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We need a reformer but Bepe Grillo is no reformer. Whatever happened to a well thought out manifesto telling people precisely what needs to be done?

Apart from wanting out of the euro and ranting about "them", Grillo hasn't an idea in his hairy head.
 

odlum

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Just looking at the Italian election and the huge surge in support for the previously non-political entertainer Beppe Grillo and his Five Star movement. Is this a model of the the people who are disenchanted with the current political parties and want to improve the lot of everyone? A commitment not to enter a coalition but to support a minority government on a case by case basis would surely be better than the Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dumber options that are our only options.


The problem with populism is that someone has to pay for it. These fellas can talk rubbish on opposition benches or in an election with no consequences. If they actually were in government and implemented what they preach they would wreck these countries within months. Of course when full reality dawns they wouldn't implement their policies.

They talk rubbish to get elected.

It's like the posters on here saying "vote for independents" - sure if everyone did that the country would be being run by independents. Imagine that vista in Ireland of all places.
 

ibis

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The problem with populism is that someone has to pay for it. These fellas can talk rubbish on opposition benches or in an election with no consequences. If they actually were in government and implemented what they preach they would wreck these countries within months. Of course when full reality dawns they wouldn't implement their policies.

They talk rubbish to get elected.

It's like the posters on here saying "vote for independents" - sure if everyone did that the country would be being run by independents. Imagine that vista in Ireland of all places.
Truth in that, certainly - the main difference between the spoofers who get into government and the spoofers who stay on the opposition benches is that those that go into government get found out as spoofers. Those that successfully stay on the opposition benches can continue spouting any mad old shíte that comes into their heads.

But that's part and parcel of democracy everywhere, and if Irish politicians are spoofier than others it must reflect the Irish public's tolerance of spoofery.
 

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It's like the posters on here saying "vote for independents" - sure if everyone did that the country would be being run by independents. Imagine that vista in Ireland of all places.
Yes, let's imagine it for a second. What would happen? Based on logical reasoning.
 

ManOfReason

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May I present our next Taoiseach, Mrs Brown. God help us all. And don't fool yourself thinking this is not a possibility. If 'she' stood for FF she would be a shoe in, given that the idiot vote already has a history of voting FF.

 

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Yes, let's imagine it for a second. What would happen? Based on logical reasoning.
How would they reach a common policy platform if you had communists and socialists and capitalists and environmentalists and all sorts of nutters in government? Independents are also far more vulnerable to local issues than party politicians even though part politicians engage in it as well - that's mostly why they are elected. Look at Lowry, "Ming", Wallace, Higgins etc....imagine that lot trying to govern the country. They couldn't.

Look at what a protest vote has done in Italy. The result now is the leader is an ex commie, the second largest leader is a lunatic who should be behind bars and the third is a comedian. And now it's the people going to pay the price. Italy has no credibility and they are once again heading for a bailout as a result after the brief period of calm when grownups were installed to run the country. And they had to be installed because the Germans rightly said to the Italians - you are not electing buffoons to run your country on the back of our credibility and money.
 
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