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Group Punishment vs Individual Punishment


General Mayhem

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So I'm here with my son who is doing his French homework.

Apparently last Thursday the class was given homework; today only half the class had done it.

As punishment the entire class has to do the homework 3 times.

Teacher says the half that didn't do it 'owe an apology' to the other half for landing them with triple homework.

I presume the idea is that the good boys are supposed to beat the crap out of the bold boys after school? Saves the teacher having to deal with the problem I suppose :roll:

Now, let's talk about bullying, shall we? petunia

Is this the 'new' thing, is group punishment back in favour over individual punishment?
 

lying eyes

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Well group punishment, seems to be the order of the day. The Goverment is punishing all us plebs for the sins of a few....
 

commonman

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There was a program on espn last night about coaches in schools in the USA the like i have never seen before the abuse the give them young people.
 

Big Brother

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So I'm here with my son who is doing his French homework.

Apparently last Thursday the class was given homework; today only half the class had done it.

As punishment the entire class has to do the homework 3 times.

Teacher says the half that didn't do it 'owe an apology' to the other half for landing them with triple homework.

I presume the idea is that the good boys are supposed to beat the crap out of the bold boys after school? Saves the teacher having to deal with the problem I suppose :roll:

Now, let's talk about bullying, shall we? petunia

Is this the 'new' thing, is group punishment back in favour over individual punishment?


Welcome to the cult of society, group think and collective punishment as pushed by the left who dominate our thinking now.

Taking individual responsibility is out. Society is always at fault and we are all guilty. Likewise society is always to benefit for the hard work of a segment of society.

So we no longer have a disincentive to act badly (no one will punish us individualy) or to do well (we get no individual reward).

Some people didn't do their homework? ...

.....We are "ALL" guilty

Some people abuse alcohol?.....

..... We are "ALL" guilty and must pay higher alcohol prices


A small number of clergy abused children?.....

.....They/we are "ALL" guilty and we must abandon catholicism en masse


A small number of us bust a gut to create jobs/exports/prosperity?....

.....We "ALL" - even those who spend all day vegged out on the sofa - are responsible and should share equally in the reward

This BS idiocy has been brought to us by listening to too many left wing sociologists / academics and commentators.

It's time to consign it to the toilet.

And flush hard.
 

RobertW

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I've never heard of that form of punishment used by any teacher.

If anything it acts as an incentive for those who did their homework to not do so in the future.
 
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Dylan2010

what was that scene from Full Metal Jacket "its just a dream Fat boy!" . Stand up for your son, the teacher is being an idiot, your son didnt join the army or some makey uppy boot camp.
 
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I've never heard of that form of punishment used by any teacher.

If anything it acts as an incentive for those who did their homework to not do so in the future.
Teacher sounds like an aspiring management consultant who's big into team building!
 
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I've never heard of that form of punishment used by any teacher.

If anything it acts as an incentive for those who did their homework to not do so in the future.
Absolutely normal in my time in a CBS - including corporal punishment for the entire class. Bastards.
 

General Mayhem

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Welcome to the cult of society, group think and collective punishment as pushed by the left who dominate our thinking now.

Taking individual responsibility is out. Society is always at fault and we are all guilty. Likewise society is always to benefit for the hard work of a segment of society.

So we no longer have a disincentive to act badly (no one will punish us individualy) or to do well (we get no individual reward).

Some people didn't do their homework? ...

.....We are "ALL" guilty

Some people abuse alcohol?.....

..... We are "ALL" guilty and must pay higher alcohol prices


A small number of clergy abused children?.....

.....They/we are "ALL" guilty and we must abandon catholicism en masse


A small number of us bust a gut to create jobs/exports/prosperity?....

.....We "ALL" - even those who spend all day vegged out on the sofa - are responsible and should share equally in the reward

This BS idiocy has been brought to us by listening to too many left wing sociologists / academics and commentators.

It's time to consign it to the toilet.

And flush hard.
Perhaps when they grow a pair the teachers wil send the homework to me to do :lol:

That'll go down a treat.

If this is an example of left thinking I need to go back to school. I must've missed a day.
 

Big Brother

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Perhaps when they grow a pair the teachers wil send the homework to me to do :lol:

That'll go down a treat.

If this is an example of left thinking I need to go back to school. I must've missed a day.

Look forward to hearing about that one.

It's an example of "we are all responsible" mentality that prevailes at least amongst Ireland's middle class left.

Working class lefties are much more sensible and have a no nonsense approach to responsibility.

But IReland's middle class left lives in a secluded deluded world of cosy state employment where there is no such thing as accountability, responsibility or morality and where "society" is always to blame for everything.

This left wing logic is even used to justify the most inexcusable crimes.

For instance I heard that overpaid ex public servant John Lonergan blaming "society" for throwing rapist and attempted murderer Larry Murphy "to the wolves"

The tendency to sympathise with criminals and wrong doers and blame society for their wrongs is the result of the 1960s kids dominating our intellectual climate with their idiocy.

They smoked too much dope in college and now we're feeling the effects.
 

Deep Blue

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Déjà vu, I'm afraid here too.

Everyone lined up, nobody willing to grass up the culprit for some misdemeanour or other....

Divide and conquer, punishment across the board.

I didn't bother to mention it at home much, and if I had, I don't think anyone would have complained about my Human Rights being contravened...

But General M's son's case is different, and the obedient half of the class shouldn't have been punished here, there's no justice in that. That's just giving them all an incentive to bunk off.
 

Glenshane4

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So I'm here with my son who is doing his French homework.

Apparently last Thursday the class was given homework; today only half the class had done it.

As punishment the entire class has to do the homework 3 times.

Teacher says the half that didn't do it 'owe an apology' to the other half for landing them with triple homework.

I presume the idea is that the good boys are supposed to beat the crap out of the bold boys after school? Saves the teacher having to deal with the problem I suppose :roll:

Now, let's talk about bullying, shall we? petunia

Is this the 'new' thing, is group punishment back in favour over individual punishment?
Contact the Head Teacher. If that does not work, write to the Dept of Education. If that does not work, contact your TD and ask him to raise the matter in the Dail and name the bullying teacher under parliamentary privilege.
 

The OD

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Contact the Head Teacher. If that does not work, write to the Dept of Education. If that does not work, contact your TD and ask him to raise the matter in the Dail and name the bullying teacher under parliamentary privilege.
Excuse me but can you please butt out of 'free state affairs'? You are quick to demand us 'free staters' stay out of NI issues yet here you are having the audacity to comment on 'free state' issues.

Perhaps the OP could get Mickey Harte to write a letter about the issue.....?
 

pragmaticapproach

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Welcome to the cult of society, group think and collective punishment as pushed by the left who dominate our thinking now.

Taking individual responsibility is out. Society is always at fault and we are all guilty. Likewise society is always to benefit for the hard work of a segment of society.

So we no longer have a disincentive to act badly (no one will punish us individualy) or to do well (we get no individual reward).

Some people didn't do their homework? ...

.....We are "ALL" guilty

Some people abuse alcohol?.....

..... We are "ALL" guilty and must pay higher alcohol prices


A small number of clergy abused children?.....

.....They/we are "ALL" guilty and we must abandon catholicism en masse


A small number of us bust a gut to create jobs/exports/prosperity?....

.....We "ALL" - even those who spend all day vegged out on the sofa - are responsible and should share equally in the reward

This BS idiocy has been brought to us by listening to too many left wing sociologists / academics and commentators.

It's time to consign it to the toilet.

And flush hard.
you've obviously never seen full metal jacket :)
 

General Mayhem

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That's just giving them all an incentive to bunk off.
That is what I'm seeing, increasing lack of interest in bothering.

I mean, why would he?

I like the idea of all the stoned hippies going around telling people what to do tho, that's gas :lol:
 

General Mayhem

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My kid came home last year with a similar story and I forbid her to do the punishment exercise. I told her that collective punishment was a violation of the Geneva Convention and other international laws and that small injustices lead to bigger injustices.

The teacher backed down. hee hee. I won... ne ne neneneh !
I'll be interested to hear the news this evening.

The odds of the ones who didn't do it the first time, doing it 3 times last night, are pretty low.

Odds now of the other half not bothering to do it twice last night are pretty high.

This teacher may have a serious problem on hand. It'll be the parents' 'fault' no doubt.

Now, back to agonising over the people who used to 'educate' our youth..
 

Hitch 22

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you've obviously never seen full metal jacket :)
Kids go home after school. So if a handful of kids are not doing their homework the kids who do their homework are in no position to force them to even if they wanted to. They are in no position to dole out a physical punishment.
 
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