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Guns They Haven't Gone Away You know...


between the bridges

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Well you could have blown moi down with a feather, the thought that PIRA members and weapons made up the core of the so called 'dissidents' arsenal comes as a total shock...



The man who three times inspected the IRA’s weapons dumps prior to decommissioning has said that it is impossible to say that the IRA destroyed all its weapons. Martti Ahtisaari, the former president of Finland who jointly inspected the arms before their destruction between 2001 and 2005, said that any society coming out of conflict would have “so many arms” in various locations that it can never be certain that all have been put beyond use.

In recent years, there have been growing questions about the totality of IRA decommissioning as dissident republicans have had access to former Provisional IRA weapons such as Semtex.

When asked, during a brief interview with the News Letter on a visit to Belfast, whether the public can be confident that all the weapons were destroyed, Mr Ahtisaari said: “First of all, in a society that has been in a war... there are so many arms in that society that you can never have a situation anywhere in the world where all the arms will disappear.

“Because it is not only those which are possibly in the arms dumps, but people have arms at home, we know that from every country, and people have arms for hunting purposes, so there are so many arms.”
Full decommissioning

I am sure it was just odds and ends that got overlooked..BBC News - Rocket launcher believed to be Provisional IRA weapon

Now we PUL's are often regaled with a CNR narrative that tells us there was no difference between UVF/UDA/UDR/RUC/BA/OO/DUP/UUP/TUV and the army cadets and also that there is no distinction between the 1913 UVF and the 1966 UVF... So would anyone care to tell moi how or why would one draw a distinction between this lot and the previous lot of armed republicans? Is it because they are all middle aged now...
 

Narcissist

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Well you could have blown moi down with a feather, the thought that PIRA members and weapons made up the core of the so called 'dissidents' arsenal comes as a total shock...
Has anyone ever argued otherwise about the weapons?

I've always thought the general consensus was that they got their rifles from a couple of arms-dumps that were left somewhere.
 
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Castle Ray

The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin? Only those who wanted to. The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
 

Glaucon

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The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin? Only those who wanted to. The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
Impugning the reputation of Alec Reid is unjustified.
 

fontenoy

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Ask yourself who the QM was at the time of the decommissioning and who emerged as the leader of the first Real IRA, it was never believed that the man in question gave up the specifics on a lot of dumps.
 

eskrimador

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Given last year's attack on the area by 60-100 UVF men and the complete lack of a timely response by the PSNI, no wonder
 

Swords Hoopster

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The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin?
Yes, Harold Good and Alec Reid were Provo-loving liars. :roll:

The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
Get over it Castle Ray. You and your ilk that opposed the peace treaty were defeated and the place has moved on. These dissidents will never get a foothold because there is no support for them, much to your chagrin no doubt.
 
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Castle Ray

Yes, Harold Good and Alec Reid were Provo-loving liars. :roll:



Get over it Castle Ray. You and your ilk that opposed the peace treaty were defeated and the place has moved on. These dissidents will never get a foothold because there is no support for them, much to your chagrin no doubt.
I did not say that about Good or Reid.

I did not say that about the so-called "dissidents".

You are a dishonest poster and yet again a proven liar.
 

vivabrigada

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Now we PUL's are often regaled with a CNR narrative that tells us there was no difference between UVF/UDA/UDR/RUC/BA/OO/DUP/UUP/TUV and the army cadets .
The meeting was jointly requested by the UDA-aligned UPRG and the Unionist Forum and was introduced by UDA Leader, Jim McDonald, and addressed by the DUP’s Jeffrey Donaldson, UUP Leader, Mike Nesbitt, TUV Leader, Jim Allister and PUP Leader, Billy Hutchinson
Lisburn City Council funds Unionist Forum meeting using Good Relations money « Slugger O'Toole
 

Ó Ghabhainn

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The IRA...were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.
Much like other armed groups including the legal ones.

Did you really believe they would leave themselves undefended should worse come to worst?
 

Glaucon

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You believed the IRA decommissioned it all like Alec Reid said?
I have no idea whether the PIRA decommissioned all, nearly all, most, a little, or hardly any of its weaponry. All I can do is trust the competent legal authorities, who assure me that it is a former and not a latter option.

Your insinuation that Alec Reid was a "Provo favourite" implies that he somehow supported or gave succor to paramilitaries. This is unfair and unjust.
 
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Johnny Boy

Well you could have blown moi down with a feather, the thought that PIRA members and weapons made up the core of the so called 'dissidents' arsenal comes as a total shock...





Full decommissioning

I am sure it was just odds and ends that got overlooked..BBC News - Rocket launcher believed to be Provisional IRA weapon

Now we PUL's are often regaled with a CNR narrative that tells us there was no difference between UVF/UDA/UDR/RUC/BA/OO/DUP/UUP/TUV and the army cadets and also that there is no distinction between the 1913 UVF and the 1966 UVF... So would anyone care to tell moi how or why would one draw a distinction between this lot and the previous lot of armed republicans? Is it because they are all middle aged now...
The dissident split took place long before decommissioning so none of this even remotely surprising. The reality is that the dissidents don't seem to have a huge stockpile. If they had don't you think that they'd have spent the month of May creating mayhem in the run up to the G8. The reality is that if the Provos were still operational the Lough Erne G8 conference would be a pipe dream. The Lough Erne Golf Resort itself wouldn't exist. That is how far we've come.
 

james toney

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The dissident split took place long before decommissioning so none of this even remotely surprising. The reality is that the dissidents don't seem to have a huge stockpile. If they had don't you think that they'd have spent the month of May creating mayhem in the run up to the G8. The reality is that if the Provos were still operational the Lough Erne G8 conference would be a pipe dream. The Lough Erne Golf Resort itself wouldn't exist. That is how far we've come.
Agree,and there are already plenty of threads on those links in the OP.
Maybe btb has ADHD,if he has i wish him well with his illness.
 

Mickeymac

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The dissident split took place long before decommissioning so none of this even remotely surprising. The reality is that the dissidents don't seem to have a huge stockpile. If they had don't you think that they'd have spent the month of May creating mayhem in the run up to the G8. The reality is that if the Provos were still operational the Lough Erne G8 conference would be a pipe dream. The Lough Erne Golf Resort itself wouldn't exist. That is how far we've come.
I believe you have something tangent here, lough Erne resort today would be a rubbish dump if the provies were still active.
 

Mickeymac

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The decommissioning was a fudge. Who believed provo-favourite Alec Reid and Alliance-linked Harold Good and their spin? Only those who wanted to. The IRA and their vile movement were never honest about anything they did and still aren't.


Only some sort of a bigoted scumbag would cast aspersions on Alex and Harold, men of peace and a yearn for the end of sectarianism from folk like you.
 
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Johnny Boy

I believe you have something tangent here, lough Erne resort today would be a rubbish dump if the provies were still active.
It would not have been built in the first place, & Fermanagh Council have hopefully more wit than to turn a green-field site on the shores of scenic Lower Lough Erne into a municipal tip..........................:)
 
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likesfish

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Well anybody sane found the whole decomissioning farce a joke the stockpiles are not the problem.
Anybody half competant could restock any stockpile with in weeks from eastern europe.
Trick is turn up with cash take whats on offer.
ANFO can be home made and any exotic kit can be smuggled from the states.
Problem is people wanting to continue the "war" and get hold of cash:(.


Was in a eastern european country really rather scary what could be picked up for cash with no complicated meetings.
Guns drugs women all in the same place aks rpgs RPO's pistols grenades :shock:
Got drunk with a copper he sold us his handgun for €50 turned up the next morning desperate to buy it back we gave it back to him and refused to take the cash possibly a scam but if your that poor :(.
 
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Mickeymac

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It would have been built in the first place, & Fermanagh Council have hopefully more wit than to turn a green-field site on the shores of scenic Lower Lough Erne into a municipal tip..........................:)


Think you know what I mean pal.
 

Mickeymac

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Well anybody sane found the whole decomissioning farce a joke the stockpiles are not the problem.
Anybody half competant could restock any stockpile with in weeks from eastern europe.
Trick is turn up with cash take whats on offer.
ANFO can be home made and any exotic kit can be smuggled from the states.
Problem is people wanting to comtinue the "war" and get hold of cash:(.

Stuff decommissioned, way out of date, more sophistication nowadays...........if you have the bucks.:D
 
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