Guy Verhofstadt claims to have the solution to the EU's most destabilising crisis

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A little throat clearing to put the OP in context.

1. Mass immigration is the number 1 concern of Europeans right across the continent
2. Millions of people without documents have simply walked into the EU causing colossal strain on government budgets, and great public anxiety over the social fabric and security situation we now face as a result. The EU population doesn't want this problem slowed, it wants it stopped.
3. Critics of the EU decry what they say is its elites aloof and condescending attitude to the concerns of the people. They say the elites are determined not to listen to what they mock as "populism" and will press ahead regardless.
4. Europhiles in turn, claim the Eurosceptics are crusty reactionaries who if not perhaps uniformly racist are uniformly backward and xenophobic.

So, with that throat clearing out of the way, I looked on with interest when Guy Verhofstadt stood up in parliament and claimed to have the solution to what ails the continent. Here's your multiple choice guess:

a) Try to reduce the problem which is the EU population's #1 concern?
b) Try to amplify the problem which is the EU population's #1 concern?

If you said A, you'd be wrong. Verhofstadt sees the solution as not stopping illegal immigration but changing the regulations so that that which is currently illegal is made legal. Poof. Problem solved. In this he is in lock-step with the open-borders advocates whose call for "Safe Passage" (provide legal ways for those who want to come, to come) has been ringing incessantly in the social media echo chambers inhabited by the open-borders extremists for years.

Is this brave moral leadership or dangerous disregard of what people want? How can the EU be credibly defended from accusations of elitism and contempt for the masses when Verhofstadt acts this way?

Watch the clip he posted to twitter here: https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/status/1014168965734719488
 


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Did he also say that the solution is "More Europe! What the EU needs is a single immigration body etc etc etc." Gods that man needs a haircut.
 

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Guy Verhofstadt?

Sounds like an obscure disease of some type.
 

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Good thing he's not an oncologist or he'd be advising his smoking patients to switch from regular cigarettes to menthol.
 

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What the EU describes as 'populism' is actually just Europeans expressing opposition to the plans of the EU elites.

People like Verhofstadt don't actually like democracy at all because it can result in things like the far right being in government in Austria or a 'populist' coalition in Italy.

So when you hear them decrying this wave of 'populism', they're actually disagreeing with Europeans expressing their democratic will.
 

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I think we should put Verhofstadt in charge of Denis O'Brien's legal representation.

Or perhaps make him "honoury" leader of the Irish wing of his EP grouping, the maFFia ?

Given his track record, the Irish people would be well served by that.
 

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People like Verhofstadt don't actually like democracy at all because it can result in things like the far right being in government in Austria or a 'populist' coalition in Italy.
I often wonder if they deliberately refuse to acknowledge that the rise of these 'extremist' parties are entirely their fault or if they genuinely don't know it.
Surely they can't be that stupid ?
 

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Lets face it you mad righties dont know what you want.

If the EU pulls up the drawbridge, and tears up all its commitments to the resettlement of refugees, you wouldnt be happy either. Also you think free movement of peoples within Europe applies to you personally, and no one else.

What do you want? The monoculture that never existed, but which somehow will deliver you a wonderful job, a hot blonde, and acres of land?

Dream on.
 

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I often wonder if they deliberately refuse to acknowledge that the rise of these 'extremist' parties are entirely their fault or if they genuinely don't know it.
Surely they can't be that stupid ?
I think a lot of it is to do with the insulation of the likes of Verhofstadt & Juncker from democracy. Both are major proponents of migration.

Juncker also has called for ways to legalise and smooth the path of migrants from Africa and the Middle East to reach Europe.

So the elite are strongly pro migration but they can't be removed by 'us' democratically.

We only have the possibility of removing our own governments, as the Austrians and Italians did and this is clearly causing chaos for the EU's plans.

Well done to both countries. If it was up to Ireland, Juncker & Verhofstadt would get whatever they want.
 

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This is the equivalent of campaigning on a ticket of 'make it safer, legalize rape.'
 

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I think a lot of it is to do with the insulation of the likes of Verhofstadt & Juncker from democracy. Both are major proponents of migration.

Juncker also has called for ways to legalise and smooth the path of migrants from Africa and the Middle East to reach Europe.

So the elite are strongly pro migration but they can't be removed by 'us' democratically.

We only have the possibility of removing our own governments, as the Austrians and Italians did and this is clearly causing chaos for the EU's plans.

Well done to both countries. If it was up to Ireland, Juncker & Verhofstadt would get whatever they want.
I've wondered if their support of mass migration of non-Europeans into Europe is to do with their aim of wiping out nationalism or at least national identity from European countries. If there is enough people who don't identify with being German, Italian, Spanish etc, their aims may be easier. Just pondering out aloud.
 

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What the EU describes as 'populism' is actually just Europeans expressing opposition to the plans of the EU elites.

People like Verhofstadt don't actually like democracy at all because it can result in things like the far right being in government in Austria or a 'populist' coalition in Italy.

So when you hear them decrying this wave of 'populism', they're actually disagreeing with Europeans expressing their democratic will.
Populism is a code word for campaigning strictly for the demands of the working class.
 

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Lets face it you mad righties dont know what you want.

If the EU pulls up the drawbridge, and tears up all its commitments to the resettlement of refugees, you wouldnt be happy either. Also you think free movement of peoples within Europe applies to you personally, and no one else.

What do you want? The monoculture that never existed, but which somehow will deliver you a wonderful job, a hot blonde, and acres of land?

Dream on.
It's perfectly obvious that what the majority want (to stop/slow/control immigration) isn't akin wanting a "monoculture" or "tearing up its commitments". And it is childish and boring to pretend that it is. Can you try again perhaps?
 

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I've wondered if their support of mass migration of non-Europeans into Europe is to do with their aim of wiping out nationalism or at least national identity from European countries. If there is enough people who don't identify with being German, Italian, Spanish etc, their aims may be easier. Just pondering out aloud.
That's exactly why they support migration. They see it as a tool to undermine the separate national identities of European countries.

The main obstacle to their creation of a superstate is the fact that you have all these extremely diverse European countries with totally different national characters.

Migration will eventually blur all of those distinctions into one big homogenous glob.

They cannot achieve their ambitions without migration from the 3rd world on an unprecedented scale.
 

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With no disrespect, indeed with empathy to those who wanted them but never had a child, having children really does change one's outlook. Especially the long term outlook.

Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Paolo Gentilon, Mark Rutte, Jean-Claude Juncker and Verhofstadt are all childless.

Not suggesting anything approaching some sort of conspiracy or claim of "replacement" but I wonder if that hasn't informed their attitudes in some way. That perhaps the kind of personality that politicians require to reach the top is affected in some way by not having children.
 

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Verhofstadt is the Heydrich of the EU project ...an absolute fanatical Federalist ..

A fringe lunatic from a constructed country struggling to remain a single entity ...would pay him no mind .....his politics are being rejected the length and breadth of the EU

Not that he'll ever accept any thing as trivial as democratic rejection ....but his star is definitely waning thankfully
 

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With no disrespect, indeed with empathy to those who wanted them but never had a child, having children really does change one's outlook. Especially the long term outlook.

Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel, Paolo Gentilon, Mark Rutte, Jean-Claude Juncker and Verhofstadt are all childless.

Not suggesting anything approaching some sort of conspiracy or claim of "replacement" but I wonder if that hasn't informed their attitudes in some way. That perhaps the kind of personality that politicians require to reach the top is affected in some way by not having children.
Add Theresa May to that list as well. I suppose its easier to rise to the top if you don't have kids.
 

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No money in 'solutions'. The imposition of 'treatments' has become the MO for all corporates and governments. There really is no money in 'solutions'.
 


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