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Handshake becomes the focus of gender rights in Switzerland.

Ruadh

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Switzerland has made a bit of a stand for women's rights and gender equality. The land of Heidi isn't regarded as a bulwark to maintain women's rights but there you go.

Switzerland has a custom whereby students shake hands with their teachers. It's a bit Swiss actually. Formal, a bit boring, but it's what they choose to do.

Two male pupils, aged 14 and 15 caused a bit of a furor because they wouldn't shake hands with their teachers, specifically their female teachers. They didn't have any problem with shaking male teachers hands but women were a problem. Why, became apparent because the father of the boys is a holy Joe who has brainwashed them into thinking women are dirty. Some lady teaching doesn't need that hastle.

The local Swiss bureaucrats proposed to the boys that at the least there should be equal treatment of gender so that they should shake hands with neither men nor women. This has generated quite a debate in Switzerland with many claiming that shaking hands is a part of Swiss culture and something that Swiss people choose as part of their culture. Shaking hands with women could be part of that culture. We voted for equal marriage they can choose to have equal treatment for women.

The boys are from a family which is seeking asylum in Switzerland. This furore has caused the family's application for citizenship to be put on hold which in a way victimizes the boys for the misogynistic views of their father and his God bothering don't shake the lady's hands brainwashing.

Where does the freedom to choose how you act get limited? Especially when how you act is misogynistic, picks out women for special, negative, treatment. How should that be viewed? How do those boys view their own mother, their sister?

The Guardian doesn't really help with the exploration of the issue when it rights at the end of the report

"Previous similar disputes have centred on Muslim parents who demanded that their daughters be exempt from swimming lessons.

Muslim families have, however, secured victories in court against schools which sought to ban the full face veil."

Does the writer have any Muslim friends? It wasn't Muslim families that won the right to have the hateful full face veil. It was religious fundamentalists. Don't pin the actions of the god bothering bigots on a whole community. That's what they want.

Swiss halt Muslim family's citizenship process after refusal to shake hands | World news | The Guardian
 


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What are their thoughts on receiving hand jobs?
 

Bea C

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Some of these ba$tards are beyond repulsive.
I actually think this sort of a penalty might put some manners on people arriving in to a western culture.
 

Ruadh

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Some of these ba$tards are beyond repulsive.
I actually think this sort of a penalty might put some manners on people arriving in to a western culture.
But they should be free to get hand jobs from men only?
 

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Two Muslim teenagers currently in the asylum process in Switzerland and refuse to shake hands with female teachers. And this a Swiss custom.
What was that CH4 was talking about a few days ago about integration.
 

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The Swiss are probably the closest thing to an ant colony among human societies.
 

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Switzerland has made a bit of a stand for women's rights and gender equality. The land of Heidi isn't regarded as a bulwark to maintain women's rights but there you go.

Switzerland has a custom whereby students shake hands with their teachers. It's a bit Swiss actually. Formal, a bit boring, but it's what they choose to do.

Two male pupils, aged 14 and 15 caused a bit of a furor because they wouldn't shake hands with their teachers, specifically their female teachers. They didn't have any problem with shaking male teachers hands but women were a problem. Why, became apparent because the father of the boys is a holy Joe who has brainwashed them into thinking women are dirty. Some lady teaching doesn't need that hastle.

The local Swiss bureaucrats proposed to the boys that at the least there should be equal treatment of gender so that they should shake hands with neither men nor women. This has generated quite a debate in Switzerland with many claiming that shaking hands is a part of Swiss culture and something that Swiss people choose as part of their culture. Shaking hands with women could be part of that culture. We voted for equal marriage they can choose to have equal treatment for women.

The boys are from a family which is seeking asylum in Switzerland. This furore has caused the family's application for citizenship to be put on hold which in a way victimizes the boys for the misogynistic views of their father and his God bothering don't shake the lady's hands brainwashing.

Where does the freedom to choose how you act get limited? Especially when how you act is misogynistic, picks out women for special, negative, treatment. How should that be viewed? How do those boys view their own mother, their sister?

The Guardian doesn't really help with the exploration of the issue when it rights at the end of the report

"Previous similar disputes have centred on Muslim parents who demanded that their daughters be exempt from swimming lessons.

Muslim families have, however, secured victories in court against schools which sought to ban the full face veil."

Does the writer have any Muslim friends? It wasn't Muslim families that won the right to have the hateful full face veil. It was religious fundamentalists. Don't pin the actions of the god bothering bigots on a whole community. That's what they want.

Swiss halt Muslim family's citizenship process after refusal to shake hands | World news | The Guardian
A simple solution to this would seem to be that the students should be allowed to choose with whom they shake hands, and so should the teachers.

Forced politeness isn't really politeness anyway.
 
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Bea C

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Two Muslim teenagers currently in the asylum process in Switzerland and refuse to shake hands with female teachers. And this a Swiss custom.
What was that CH4 was talking about a few days ago about integration.
 

Ruadh

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Two Muslim teenagers currently in the asylum process in Switzerland and refuse to shake hands with female teachers. And this a Swiss custom.
What was that CH4 was talking about a few days ago about integration.
It's hard to say it's even a Swiss custom specifically. It's not far off the mark to say if you accept women being excluded from basic social etiquette you are unlikely to be present championing issues like breast feeding in public, equal pay, an end to slut shaming or unequal pay.
 

Ruadh

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A simple solution to this would seem to be that the students should be allowed to choose with whom they shake hands, and so should the teachers.

Force politeness isn't really politeness anyway.
Your a good guy. I can't believe you really think that.


By the way I am presuming your a dude. Is that right?
 

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Background from April 5th report on the issue:

.....The Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland (FIOS) said that a handshake between a man and woman "is permissible theologically". It added that politeness is important in Islamic tradition and that a handshake between teachers and students is "not problematic," reported Swissinfo.ch.....
 

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A simple solution to this would seem to be that the students should be allowed to choose with whom they shake hands, and so should the teachers.

Force politeness isn't really politeness anyway.
As somebody beat me to pointing out, you're not female.
So an alternative, are you, perhaps, gay?
 

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A simple solution to this would seem to be that the students should be allowed to choose with whom they shake hands, and so should the teachers.

Force politeness isn't really politeness anyway.
First page in and you're trolling.
 

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First page in and you're trolling.
By suggesting that there is a reasonable solution to the problem and assuming that the thread won't inevitably descend into yet another anti-Muslim circlejerk?
 
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A simple solution to this would seem to be that the students should be allowed to choose with whom they shake hands, and so should the teachers.

Force politeness isn't really politeness anyway.
So if your boss came in every morning and said a warm good morning to all the male staff, but ignored the females and transsexuals, you would defend this practice?
 

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