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mr_anderson

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The real question for our public hospitals is why the private ones are so much more efficient ?

In 2005 he offered a site on the M50 for the new children’s hospital and promised to build it in three years, but was rebuffed. Instead, the Government has opted for the St James’s site.
“If you handed it over to the private sector, you could have a first-class hospital in two and a half to three years,” he says.
“The concept of putting it on top of an existing hospital without any space for expansion, or even cramped to start with, is absolute insanity to me.
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The private sector is better at getting things done, at innovating, at cutting out stifling bureaucracy and being efficient, he says. “We know down to the last euro what a procedure costs. The public sector does not know.”

The Blackrock Clinic took 12 months to build; the Galway Clinic took 15 months from start to finish despite well documented difficulties which stopped the project at one stage.
Surgeon and entrepreneur sets the record straight

So much unnecessary waste from the public purse.
 

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A large part of the problem isn't how good or bad the public sector is, but whether those in charge of it (politicians, high-up civil servants etc) are actually committed to the public sector.
In this country, I believe that the norm is that they work against the public sector, even when they speak in favour of it. Honourable exceptions exist of course.
One example of this is the Luas in Dublin, where the system could have been up and running in the mid-90s but the governments of the day actively stymied it.
 

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It always made most sense to treat public patients separate to private ones and now the thinking is moving in that direction. So are private rooms on public lands adjacent to public hospitals back on the agenda....I hope so...
End private care in State-funded hospitals, says committee
No issue with Private hospitals, but I have an issue with them using Public land to turn a profit. Let the industry survive on its own, simple as!
 

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I don't want US style health care. However state run anything in this country is a joke.

Can we not come up with a better health care.

Singapore has excellent government run health care that was voted most efficient in the world in 2014.
 

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A large part of the problem isn't how good or bad the public sector is, but whether those in charge of it (politicians, high-up civil servants etc) are actually committed to the public sector.
In this country, I believe that the norm is that they work against the public sector, even when they speak in favour of it. Honourable exceptions exist of course.
One example of this is the Luas in Dublin, where the system could have been up and running in the mid-90s but the governments of the day actively stymied it.
Good point;

It should be a contractual requirement for any ssenior HSE manager or consultant that they NOT have private health insurance but rely thenselves on the public service.
 

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The public are tired of all the shilly-shallying that goes on regarding demarcation and hospital location, public/private disputes. I support hospital colocation.
 

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It always made most sense to treat public patients separate to private ones and now the thinking is moving in that direction. So are private rooms on public lands adjacent to public hospitals back on the agenda....I hope so...
End private care in State-funded hospitals, says committee
The above referred to news report mentions that €621 million will be lost from the budget of hospitals by the removal of private treatment in public hospitals. This of course will have to be replaced by the Exchequer ,funded by additional taxes. Socialism shafts the workers again!

There is another aspect to this proposal ,which I think is more worrying.

When it comes to major surgery our best surgeons work in public hospitals. They also do private health funded medicine and they will be unwilling to forgo that income. It is very likely that ,if this proposal goes forward, our best surgeons will move to private hospitals. Then we will truly have a two tier health system , where you can only access top level health care by paying privately. Our Public Health system will be left with second-string medics. Hooray for Socialism!
 

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It always made most sense to treat public patients separate to private ones and now the thinking is moving in that direction. So are private rooms on public lands adjacent to public hospitals back on the agenda....I hope so...
End private care in State-funded hospitals, says committee
The solution is certainly not the co-location because in Ireland we all know what that means. Namely through 'personal relationships' and outright corruption the public services will be raped by the private hospital of goods and services and the 'difficult' expensive cases will be wheeled across the car park to the public hospital. And that is precisely what will happen and we all know it.
 

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The real question for our public hospitals is why the private ones are so much more efficient ?
they are not - private health care is massively subsidised by the state

Surgeon and entrepreneur sets the record straight

So much unnecessary waste from the public purse.
A consultant who has lined his pockets for his entire career cheerleads for private health care and wants families facing massive health insurance premiums - big surprise there :roll:
 

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The above referred to news report mentions that €621 million will be lost from the budget of hospitals by the removal of private treatment in public hospitals. This of course will have to be replaced by the Exchequer ,funded by additional taxes. Socialism shafts the workers again!
Tax relief on privatee health insurance runs to almost €600million a year - we don't know the cost of tax breaks for the building of private hospitals and nursing homes but it probably runs to €100s millions since introduced.

Furthermore - the hospitals need an army of administrators to process all the paperwork to levy payment for private healthcare - and hospital charges - another waste of hospital resources. The cost of processing the €100 ED charge results in a net gain of €17 for the hospital.

Plus the private system dumps all the serious cases onto the public system - no profit there.
 

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Good point;

It should be a contractual requirement for any ssenior HSE manager or consultant that they NOT have private health insurance but rely thenselves on the public service.
It should be a requirement for all politicians, senior managers in the DoH/HSE, along with frontline personnel, union heads and their family not to have PHI cover.
 

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they are not - private health care is massively subsidised by the state


A consultant who has lined his pockets for his entire career cheerleads for private health care and wants families facing massive health insurance premiums - big surprise there :roll:

Yeah how dare someone , who worked their ass off for 15 - 20 years to reach the top of their very difficult profession and an ability to take life saving action , how dare they expect to earn a nice salary ....Bloody Fascists eh ...up the wurkers ...20 hour weeks for everyone ...one wage for all .... mediocrity and failure for everyone ..yey!!!

Sweet Jesus :roll: The sheer clueless stupidity of it
 

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I don't want US style health care. However state run anything in this country is a joke.

Can we not come up with a better health care.

Singapore has excellent government run health care that was voted most efficient in the world in 2014.
Singapore had Lee Kwon Kuo, & we got the maFFia.

Big difference in outcome. Just look at Bertie's mates and the way thry ran the CRC. Or Angela running Rehab.
 

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Tax relief on privatee health insurance runs to almost €600million a year - we don't know the cost of tax breaks for the building of private hospitals and nursing homes but it probably runs to €100s millions since introduced.

Furthermore - the hospitals need an army of administrators to process all the paperwork to levy payment for private healthcare - and hospital charges - another waste of hospital resources. The cost of processing the €100 ED charge results in a net gain of €17 for the hospital.

Plus the private system dumps all the serious cases onto the public system - no profit there.
:shock:
 

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Yeah how dare someone , who worked their ass off for 15 - 20 years to reach the top of their very difficult profession and an ability to take life saving action , how dare they expect to earn a nice salary ....Bloody Fascists eh ...up the wurkers ...20 hour weeks for everyone ...one wage for all .... mediocrity and failure for everyone ..yey!!!

Sweet Jesus :roll: The sheer clueless stupidity of it
If you want to accuse me of something then have the courtesy of accusing me of something that I actually said - not just go on a rant.
 

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they are not - private health care is massively subsidised by the state


A consultant who has lined his pockets for his entire career cheerleads for private health care and wants families facing massive health insurance premiums - big surprise there :roll:

Tax relief on privatee health insurance runs to almost €600million a year -

Furthermore - the hospitals need an army of administrators to process all the paperwork to levy payment for private healthcare - and hospital charges - another waste of hospital resources. The cost of processing the €100 ED charge results in a net gain of €17 for the hospital.

Plus the private system dumps all the serious cases onto the public system - no profit there.


It must be great to live in a fact free world.

" private health care is massively subsidised by the state"

If you had Evidence to back up that assertion it might help

"Tax relief on privatee health insurance runs to almost €600million a year "


"we don't know the cost of tax breaks for the building of private hospitals and nursing homes but it probably runs to €100s millions since introduced. "

Who needs evidence when you have prejudice to keep you warm




"Plus the private system dumps all the serious cases onto the public system "

Why ,just this morning I saw the staff of various private hospitals queueing with wheelbarrows of rejected patients in the carpark of my local public hospital!!
 

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If you want to accuse me of something then have the courtesy of accusing me of something that I actually said - not just go on a rant.
I quoted it ..even put it in bold so you would understand the bit i was referring to :roll:


they are not - private health care is massively subsidised by the state


A consultant who has lined his pockets for his entire career cheerleads for private health care and wants families facing massive health insurance premiums - big surprise there :roll:

You accused Consultants of lining their pockets .... I pointed out what a stupid statement it was , but typical begrudgery for any success from our deranged post Gorbachev Communists ....now Im having to explain that to you :roll:
 

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It must be great to live in a fact free world.

" private health care is massively subsidised by the state"

If you had Evidence to back up that assertion it might help

"Tax relief on privatee health insurance runs to almost €600million a year "


"we don't know the cost of tax breaks for the building of private hospitals and nursing homes but it probably runs to €100s millions since introduced. "

Who needs evidence when you have prejudice to keep you warm




"Plus the private system dumps all the serious cases onto the public system "

Why ,just this morning I saw the staff of various private hospitals queueing with wheelbarrows of rejected patients in the carpark of my local public hospital!!
In Making Waves world Tax relief is a public subsidy ...... he's accused other sectors in the past of also receiving public subsidies .....by getting tax relief , not grants ...tax relief

By his logic , any money left in your wages is a subsidy
 


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