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Has Fianna Fail abandoned the north?


ArtyisBack

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The north is in uproar. Having confined their activities to destroying their own dung pits unionists have now moved to nationalist areas to foment violence. And what is the view of FF on all this? They have kept silent. They have no opinion. That is because they do not care. When the DUP accused the government of FF in the late '60's of giving birth to the provisionals Michael Martin was very quickly out of the blocks to defend his party's position appearing on the media in the north to ensure that the message got through. But now they are sitting idly by and watching their fellow Irish being attacked by the mob. So much for their move north? Were are the statements from Mount Street. Were are the interviews on northern media? Were are their northern representatives who walked Matt Baggott through Crossmaglen. Have FF ran away? So much for the Republican Party. It is clear that their republicanism is a 26 county republicanism. They have became FG.
 


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I think the issue is regarded as resolved and therefore interest is consequently less - flag row or otherwise. Anyway the Establishment have more important things to worry about, not including their Federal Europe panacea they wrongly believe is the answer when in fact it half the cause of our economic ills. The United Europe sirens have taken over from the United Ireland nymphs.
 

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Do you mean you actually believed that Fianna Fáil gave a stuff about the North other than in a purely tokenistic way of shoring up their "green" credentials.

All that guff about organising in the North was done with more of an eye on protecting their flank from SF in the South.
 

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The north is in uproar. Having confined their activities to destroying their own dung pits unionists have now moved to nationalist areas to foment violence. And what is the view of FF on all this? They have kept silent. They have no opinion. That is because they do not care. When the DUP accused the government of FF in the late '60's of giving birth to the provisionals Michael Martin was very quickly out of the blocks to defend his party's position appearing on the media in the north to ensure that the message got through. But now they are sitting idly by and watching their fellow Irish being attacked by the mob. So much for their move north? Were are the statements from Mount Street. Were are the interviews on northern media? Were are their northern representatives who walked Matt Baggott through Crossmaglen. Have FF ran away? So much for the Republican Party. It is clear that their republicanism is a 26 county republicanism. They have became FG.

The 'leadership' of Fianna Fail abandoned the 6 counties when they entered the Free state Government in 1932. A lot of the membership and supporters of Fianna Fail never abandoned the North but Section 31 and a pro-partition press has gradually changed the mentality of FF supporters.
 

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Do you mean you actually believed that Fianna Fáil gave a stuff about the North other than in a purely tokenistic way of shoring up their "green" credentials.

All that guff about organising in the North was done with more of an eye on protecting their flank from SF in the South.
Ah ha ha ha ha.

FG hack on NI thread.

Thankfully one of our two main parties wasn't " sick of the f*****g peace process".
 

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Anyway the Establishment have more important things to worry about,

Where is their lectures and concern about democracy. If the nationalists of the 6 counties must live in a UK desired by the minority of this Island would it be too much to ask for it to be at least democratic in appearance if not in fact. Where are the voices of the 26 counties politicians on this continued imposition upon Northern Nationalists rights?
 

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Ah ha ha ha ha.

FG hack on NI thread.

Thankfully one of our two main parties wasn't " sick of the f*****g peace process".

Sorry. Have you something useful to contribute apart from the usual childish rubbish.
 

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Ah ha ha ha ha.

FG hack on NI thread.

Thankfully one of our two main parties wasn't " sick of the f*****g peace process".
Instead of attacking contributors in an attempted whataboutery deflect tactic beloved by unionists could you address the question?
 
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Sorry. Have you something useful to contribute apart from the usual childish rubbish.
The man who doesn't understand what the word "facetious" means and is here raving about protecting flanks is criticising others for their contributions!

FG hasn't given a hoot about the North for a long time. You are embarrassing yourself skulking around this thread. Bruton's only mistake was that he let the cat out of the bag. As for FF and NI, frankly not a huge amount they can do at present, their contributions would be as useful as the SDLP attacking our Budget. If they wrapped the green flag around the party right now I have no doubt people would be complaining about it being a cheap shot.
 

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Apart from once again proposing a merger with the SDLP, how can any Southern party get involved in Northern politics - were they to do so, the three-way split would only serve to artificially increase the extent of Unionist majorities in Stormont and NI Westminster constituencies?
 

ArtyisBack

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Apart from once again proposing a merger with the SDLP, how can any Southern party get involved in Northern politics - were they to do so, the three-way split would only serve to artificially increase the extent of Unionist majorities in Stormont and NI Westminster constituencies?
I do not agree. Many nationalists only vote for SF, (in particular), and SDLP out of tribal loyalty as both these parties are left wing in outlook and socially regressive. Many would rather have a more traditional socially conservative outlook. These people are just staying at home. If the likes of FF stood for election it would help maximise the nationalist vote.

However how does that excuse FF having an opinion on the north and expressing it? After all they are very quick to answer any slight on their leaders from the likes of Peter Robinson.
 

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Realistically, with the party in its current condition, all they could contribute is rhetoric and comment - not numbers and resources - and NI hardly needs more comment.
 

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FF are ashamed to go there having abandoned Arts 2 & 3. Surprised O Cuiv is not up there ass an " observer", but then i spose its only loyalist undergrowth who are attacking police , so outside of his concern ?
 

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I do not agree. Many nationalists only vote for SF, (in particular), and SDLP out of tribal loyalty as both these parties are left wing in outlook and socially regressive. Many would rather have a more traditional socially conservative outlook. These people are just staying at home. If the likes of FF stood for election it would help maximise the nationalist vote.

However how does that excuse FF having an opinion on the north and expressing it? After all they are very quick to answer any slight on their leaders from the likes of Peter Robinson.
And would SF and SDLP voters move to FF in sufficient numbers for them to win seats, or would you divide the pot into three and guarantee the loss of a number of seats now held by the first two parties. My guess is almost certainly the latter. Mind you, if the Nationalist community in the North were dumb enough to vote FF it would be hard to have any sympathy.
 

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Na'h their record in talking about the north has always been first class, but like Lyons Tea, its only Talk-Talk.

Even when it was top **** and all the good will -contacts and resources were there during the FF tiger years -Bertie, and by extension his golden circle which included one Mickey de Martin, reverted to kind and once again turned their backs.

But to be honest about it, I dont think anyone expected them to behave in any other way, including their supporters.
 

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And would SF and SDLP voters move to FF in sufficient numbers for them to win seats, or would you divide the pot into three and guarantee the loss of a number of seats now held by the first two parties. My guess is almost certainly the latter. Mind you, if the Nationalist community in the North were dumb enough to vote FF it would be hard to have any sympathy.
I agree. There would be no benefit for Nationalists for Fianna Fail moving into electoral politics in the North unless they merged with one of the existing parties. If they were really interested in the North they would have done that years ago.

They are certainly not a Republican party.
 

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What can Fianna Fail or any party in this State do when idiots in Northern Ireland have a stupid argument about a bloody flag?

Best ignore them. We have more important things to consider.
 

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I agree. There would be no benefit for Nationalists for Fianna Fail moving into electoral politics in the North unless they merged with one of the existing parties. If they were really interested in the North they would have done that years ago.

They are certainly not a Republican party.
I think they are vaguely Republican, but not really 32-county Nationalist. They operate under a Republican constitution, but again not in the very narrow sense in which you would use that word. There entry into NI electoral politics would most likely be a disaster all round.
 

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