Has Fianna Fáil become a fascist party?



FU FF

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FF have always been a fascist party

FF have always been fascist - that is why their claim to be the republican party has always made me laugh.
DeValera started the trend - The people wanted the treaty, but he decided he knew better and went to war. Nothing has changed since then, and FF think it is their god-given right to govern this country.

Self interest is their guide. Always has been, always will be, long after they are has-beens themselves.

Long may they rot.
 

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1. Delaying elections
2. Undermining parliament
3. Appeals to nationalism
4. Secrecy
5. Glorification of military 'achievements'
6. Shielding of corporations
7. Control of mass media
8. Disdain for intellectuals
9. Corruption unchecked
I think the simple answer is yes and your above points show why. One thing that they certainly are not is a political party and the fact that most of their election branding will have The Republican Party printed on it is nothing short of hillarious at this stage.
 

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definitions

Sure - anti -democratic doesn't mean fascist, but I would refer to republicanism as broadly meaning 'government for the people by the people' whereas fascism is 'government by one group to the detriment of others'. FF fit the latter, not the former.

Cowen should go to prison. Come to think of it, a large proportion of FF fuhrers should have gone to prison:

Bertie - for obvious reasons.
Haughey - do you have to ask?
DeValera - not prison so much as he should have been hung for treason.
 

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I think the simple answer is yes and your above points show why. One thing that they certainly are not is a political party and the fact that most of their election branding will have The Republican Party printed on it is nothing short of hillarious at this stage.
Exactly!

Good to know I'm not alone.
 

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This thread has 'zoo' written all over it
 

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I wouldn't call FF "fascist" so much as "obsessed with power".

Actual fascism requires some intelligence to pull off.
 

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I think that economically Labour party is more close to Nazis
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FF is not a fascist party, their just a bunch of greedy scum who will do whatever it takes to get power and the backhanders that go along with it.

Most of them have no real political ideology, most don't even know what that means, they just continue to support the boyos who will throw state contracts and plum positions on pointless quango boards at them.

Meanwhile, I patiently await a particular poster to come on and talk to us about the ABFF because he or she is incapable of understanding that some people dislike FF for themselves, not because we think the alternative is any better.
 

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become?
 

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Zoo??

This thread has 'zoo' written all over it
Sorry - only new so I don't quite get it - I get the sense that the poster wants the thread to be closed down by the mods without actually saying so... but why the 'zoo' reference???
 

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Over recent months, the anti-democratic behaviour of FF has become very disturbing. This is manifest by its desire to delay the overdue by-elections and, most recently, by the desire to avoid debating the EU/IMF bailout in the national parliament.

Has Fianna Fáil become a de facto fascist party?


This article describes the warning signs of fascism. We can several of these signs, the less florid ones, in recent FF behaviour.

Warning signs of fascism - Anarkismo

Below are some of the features of modern fascism that can be discerned in FF behaviour. Bear in mind that modern fascists tend to be fairly subtle and must appear to be democratic because the overt fascism of the '30's would not be tolerated. But it is fascism nonetheless.

1. Delaying elections
2. Undermining parliament
3. Appeals to nationalism
4. Secrecy
5. Glorification of military 'achievements'
6. Shielding of corporations
7. Control of mass media
8. Disdain for intellectuals
9. Corruption unchecked
I will write to you in prison.
 

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Total nonsense, but I suspect the OP knows that.

I would hold my hand up to number 8, if I could find any intellectuals to spread some disdain on.
 

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Oh dear. Reductio ad hitlerum from post one. Is this a schoolboy debate or a politics forum?

The word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else ...
- George Orwell

Fianna Fail isn't "fascist". It's a corrupt, nepotistic, vaguely centrist-to-centre-right clique huddled down in its bunker and it will be decimated in the next election, only to be replaced by more of the same. Mediocrity, not authoritarianism, always wins out in Ireland.
 

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Bear in mind that modern fascists tend to be fairly subtle and must appear to be democratic because the overt fascism of the '30's would not be tolerated. But it is fascism nonetheless.

1. Delaying elections
2. Undermining parliament
3. Appeals to nationalism
4. Secrecy
5. Glorification of military 'achievements'
6. Shielding of corporations
7. Control of mass media
8. Disdain for intellectuals
9. Corruption unchecked
FF have displayed a mastery of all these traits for many years, but they are not exclusive to fascist parties. Therefore you cannot extrapolate from this that FF, or any party that displays these traits, is fascist. A warped far left party could equally practice them.
 

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Fascism has been defined as

Extreme Nationalism

Extreme Racism

Extreme Militarism

Perhaps it might be better to look towards the ABFF to root out fascism ?
 

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FF is not fascist, but the leadership is so disconnected from ordinary people now that they don't know what to pretend to believe in any more. This has come to a head now in this crisis and the gulf has been shown up cruelly. It is ironic really that Cowen is in charge when this happened as he seems to have a lot more personal integrity than a few that went before him. But FF ignored the small things for too long and slowing the rot set in. When the storm hit the ship was not sea worthy at all. Many of the grass roots in the party are just as despondent as everyone else. You cannot have a party that is suppose to be grass roots based and democratic that has someone from a political family in almost every key position. It looks more like a family business than a Republican party. Someone who was driven to primary school in a ministerial merc can never really understand the gut wrenching fear of having to emigrate. A cabinet full of them that wants to cut the minimum wage and give a massive pension fund to banks is on a total loser. Even if they are right, they seem wrong. The small rules of the party were ignored, now none of the rules or values count for anything. FF is not Republican and is not grass roots based. So what is it? A fan club for political families?

The rage that the immorality in FF has caused could lead to a very dangerous back lash that could be dangerous. We have form on extreme nationalism.
 


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