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Has Fianna Fáil learned from their past mistakes?


RahenyFG

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Current polls have Fianna Fáil as the state's most popular party and if such polls were to happen in an election, Fianna Fáil would most likely be back in government. The question I ask is, has Fianna Fáil learned from their past mistakes? The mistakes that caught up with them and was the reason for their heavy defeat in the 2011 election.

-The economic mismanagement of the country's finances

-The indulgences they gave themselves in government like huge pay rises, Bertie Ahern becoming one of the World's highest earning heads of government in 2007 even earning more than the US president. The pay rises for TDs and ministers and the gold plated pensions for retiring ministers who took full advantage of this in the last Dáil.

-Their lack of touch from reality. The mercs pulling into a cabinet meeting in 2010 while the ordinary people of the country were(and still are) suffering financial burdens. Bertie Ahern's comment on economic pessimists in 2007, before the bust, to kill themselves.

-The lies that were told to the public. Lenihan's 'cheapest bailout' remark and most damning of all Noel Dempsey and Dermot Ahern telling the people on TV that discussions on a possible bailout were 'fictional'.

-The cosy relationship with business people and vested interests that blurred government policy.

And I'm sure others will have more to come up with it. All I can think of for now. Michael Martin may have issued an apology for FF's mistakes upon becoming leader but do you the public believe they have learned from their mistakes? And do FF members genuinely feel they have learned from the past and won't repeat the same mistakes in the future?
 

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No irresponsible populism is in Fianna Fail's cultural DNA, they bankrupted the country on 4 previous occasions and if they get back into government again they will bankrupt Ireland for a 5th time. If they get back into government in 2016 they will bankrupt Ireland either by the early 2020's or by the mid 2020's.

Tax and spend socialism is the FF mantra.
 

ruserious

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They have a former cabinet Minister as head of FFnua. If it quacks like a duck....
 

wombat

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They made no mistakes, it was all due to Lehmans
 

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Current polls have Fianna Fáil as the state's most popular party and if such polls were to happen in an election, Fianna Fáil would most likely be back in government. The question I ask is, has Fianna Fáil learned from their past mistakes? The mistakes that caught up with them and was the reason for their heavy defeat in the 2011 election.

-The economic mismanagement of the country's finances

-The indulgences they gave themselves in government like huge pay rises, Bertie Ahern becoming one of the World's highest earning heads of government in 2007 even earning more than the US president. The pay rises for TDs and ministers and the gold plated pensions for retiring ministers who took full advantage of this in the last Dáil.

-Their lack of touch from reality. The mercs pulling into a cabinet meeting in 2010 while the ordinary people of the country were(and still are) suffering financial burdens. Bertie Ahern's comment on economic pessimists in 2007, before the bust, to kill themselves.

-The lies that were told to the public. Lenihan's 'cheapest bailout' remark and most damning of all Noel Dempsey and Dermot Ahern telling the people on TV that discussions on a possible bailout were 'fictional'.

-The cosy relationship with business people and vested interests that blurred government policy.

And I'm sure others will have more to come up with it. All I can think of for now. Michael Martin may have issued an apology for FF's mistakes upon becoming leader but do you the public believe they have learned from their mistakes? And do FF members genuinely feel they have learned from the past and won't repeat the same mistakes in the future?
You should learn from everything you do, the good stuff and the bad, so I don't see why not.
 

Analyzer

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Two words explain the answer to this one.

Michael Martin.

In other words, they haven't.
 

rockofcashel

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You should learn from everything you do, the good stuff and the bad, so I don't see why not.
The thing is.. ye haven't learned a thing, because ye haven't accepted it was all ye're fault in the first place
 

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They made no mistakes, it was all due to Lehmans
Ah now they made a few over the years and Lehmans certainly wouldn't have helped, that is if Lehmans any effect at all, which apparently in Ireland, it didn't.
 

RahenyFG

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Two words explain the answer to this one.

Michael Martin.

In other words, they haven't.
They really should have skipped a generation and a member of the 'disastrous' cabinet and gone for someone from the Ogra FF generation.
 

ruserious

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What good stuff?
You know...all that stuff....that we spent millions on....during the 'greatest' boom of our country....that stuff. Now that you mention it...I don't see much.

A motorway, Luas and the spire.
 

emulator

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The thing is.. ye haven't learned a thing, because ye haven't accepted it was all ye're fault in the first place
Tonic was trying to say we were still one of the richest Nations in the World (including our debt) earlier on.... :shock:

They have learned absolutely nothing. The first thing on FF's agenda.... is FF, much as it was just over two years ago. They will lie their way through any election campaign without a thought.... it worked for this lot, should work for them.
 

True Republican

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They really should have skipped a generation and a member of the 'disastrous' cabinet and gone for someone from the Ogra FF generation.
Who would you have suggested Michael McGrath or Dara Calleary?
 

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Tonic was trying to say we were still one of the richest Nations in the World (including our debt) earlier on.... :shock:
Tonic didn't just say it, he showed you and you had no answer, so you answer someone else with the same nonsense as you tried with me.

Clever.
 

neiphin

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They really should have skipped a generation and a member of the 'disastrous' cabinet and gone for someone from the Ogra FF generation.
do you mean this wánker
 

RahenyFG

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Who would you have suggested Michael McGrath or Dara Calleary?
Yes. Well meant men and weren't associated with the policies over 14 years that brought the country to it's knees.
 

lying eyes

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No, and they never will, why should they when the dumb electorate keep electing them.
Jeez Micky Martin after years of doing nothing still there- that tells the story.......
 
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